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@lotusblack It does look about 100 years old or so. The tint of the blue reminds me of the blue used in antique Japanese transfer ware from about that period of time.
@greeno107 I think it could be a 18th century or 19th century Chinese Imari of some sort. But I saw something under a loop I think will give this case the information needed. I don’t like somethings about the vase first is the painting is not in alignment and the The Who thing looks sloppy. But I have seen the crazy eye dragon. Lol
Here are some more pictures with clear oxidation. Interior of vase and lid.
This isn't any kind of Imari and yes, they do spent a lot of time faking these things. It is also easy to think that part of the decoration is so bad, it can't be a fake, but it can.
This reminds me of a pair of cheap, faked Yuan style vases I bought to make into lamps. A lot of effort had gone into ageing, but there were clear signs they were faked. On yours, the underside of the lid, the interior and the base all look wrong to me - and very clean.
Of course, maybe I am mistaken, possibly others will feel differently, but I believe this was $20 for good reason. It would be nice if I am wrong, here's hoping someone will correct me.
Julia is right I think. It’s modern with an awkward decoration.
Birgit
I think it is Arita ware from Japan circa 1900.
I haven’t spent much time looking, but this example popped up when searching Google.
https://www.junehastings.com/items/1414559/Japanese-Arita-Porcelain-Gold-Dish-Three-Friends
@greeno107 Not japanese, not arita.
It has distinctly Chinese symbols in chinese style.
I was just asking myself how I seem to find the mutant pieces. Lol Julia the $20 for a reason? What’s is the reason. I see everyday people post something authentic for less price of something doesn’t guarantee its authentic or isn’t. The base and lid look fine to me so does the feel. But your right this could be as Susan has indicated a buried pot. The oxidation looks like water oxidation to me. Now I read a article that said if the red underglaze shows signs of green and gray this is an older piece. This was cause by firing conditions is a wood kiln. The vase does have both these features. You also can see a ware ring on the base from sitting on a surface this is hard to create. Here is a Sotheby’s example of the same oxidation issue
Hi Charles -
Very far from any type of Imari or Japanese wares ...
The motifs/overall composition are, as Short Dong correctly said, based upon/distinctivly Chinese in style ...
However, concur with Julia and Birgit - the oveall painting style, motif combinations and individual element's within, blue/red tones, glaze colour, body interior, lid underside and footrim/base all indicate this has little age, IMO ...
Stuart
Thanks everyone I have decided to turn this into a garden pot. I don’t feel confident in resale of the piece. If it didn’t have forced aging I would resale it but it was created to deceive. I don’t want someone using this to mislead someone else with less experience. A new collector could see this in another shop and get taken. So off to the garden it will go.
Yeah….who ever heard of Japanese porcelain artists copying Chinese motifs and designs?
Have you all gone crazy?
How about it’s been going on for the past 300 years.
How about a compromise… Korean?
Yeah….who ever heard of Japanese porcelain artists copying Chinese motifs and designs?
Have you all gone crazy?
How about it’s been going on for the past 300 years.
True and they used Chinese backmarks but why would this particular Jar be Japanese. I know it could be...but why Japanese. China produced a higher volume of porcelain and is the most likley to make something that resembles or represents with or without respect something from a previous era. I suppose it might be Korean and maybe even antique but why Japanese.
What grabbed my attention as possibly being Japanese is the color of the blue, and the manner to which it is applied.
The design looks like it was rendered by someone who was copying a Chinese motif, but had limited knowledge / experience actually drawing Chinese motifs.
That electric blue looks right out of the kilns that produced Japanese transfer wares, not like Chinese blues.
Final thought… that spiral formation is something I’ve seen on studio pieces from Japan. I’m not saying this is a studio piece, only the spiral lent familiarity to the theory of being of Japanese origin.
I really don’t know it’s origin, but this is definitely not something produced in the Qing to Republic by Chinese, and the jar looks like it has some age.
So, I see two possibilities… it could be a modern fake from just about anywhere, or it is actually old, Chinese like in appearance, but made somewhere else.
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