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The provenance of this vase- 1981 I took a trip to China with a tour group. This was acquired and given to me as a gift while in Beijing. I always wondered about this vase. Any information will be much appreciated.
I think these brown parts date it to the 19th century.
Chris
@chris71 Thank you. I wonder what the paper writing says on the bottom as well as the brown mark on the bottom. Wishing I knew what dynasty. I have moved it around with me from place to place for almost 40 years now taking super good care of it and wondering if it is valuable beyond sentimental to me.
I think these vases were made at least until the 1970s so I find it a bit tricky to date them. There is a section on Gotheborg under Chinese Marks which may help you.
I would guess value depends on age and quality plus desirability of the design. As yours has a nice-looking dragon, it will score on that.
I just had a quick look at the site I mentioned (link below) and it seems that Kangxi marked items tend to be older than Chenghua ones but that is not an absolute. I can't see yours clearly, or read the label but we do have some Chinese speaking/reading members who may be able to help.
This is late Qing. I’m just surprised that this was able to leave China. They have antique laws that are not as simple. A government release would have had to be given and only certain government authorize dealers can sell.
@lotusblack At the time it was exported it was still less than 100 years old.
Birgit
Hello,
Brigit is right. In the 80's western tourists were allowed to purchase less than 100- year-old items from the state-run antique shops. The shop will do the paperwork for you to allow the item taken out of country. And in the 80's antique laws were not strictly enforced in China. I suspect some old items were sold to western tourists as well.
Kelly
Hi, All. This is my version of the brown-dressed vase. I found it a month ago, and have seen similar things on Peter's videos, listed as late Qing. But after looking on Gotheborg, I had decided that is was probably mid-20th century. Is it late Qing instead? The mark on the base is obscured by the hole, where it was lamped.
I do love the way the crackle in the glaze is less abundant around the decoration. I wonder how they achieved that?
Thanks,
Charles
Thank you Mark, I didn’t know about the Liling faces. I sometimes saw these rather cartoon like faces on porcelain bodies that looked older but never had an explanation for it.
Birgit
@shinigami Same kiln that produced the pink bowls? Seems to be a more abstract way to draw a face with the eye and nose drawn with the same line. Sharon
Dear all,
both vases seen here are late 19th century.
Dear Deborrah, it is very strange that you got your vase in China. The donor had a high regard of you! 😊
Dear Charles, the difference of the crackling pattern is very easy to understand. If you pass your fingers on the surface of the vase, you will note that the decorated areas are in slight relief. Also, the background is whiter than the rest of the vase.
It is a layer of slip over the main glaze, whit the scope of giving a whiter background to the blue.
Here we see an excellent example of what I said many times, that judging a piece from a detail is a wrong way, that lead toward big mistakes.
Your vase is absolutely far from the example shown by Mark. Not the same kiln, not the same type, not the same technique, they have really nothing in common.
Details are the last thing to look at, and they should be intended only as a way of confirming the opinion that has been previously reached.
This is the reason why it has no sense to determine the dating of an item by the type of blue , paste etc.
On Kangxi ware, ALL types of blue can be found, even the blurred, Japanese looking blue!
Regards,
Giovanni
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