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Topic starter 24/06/2019 6:58 am  

Hi, I'm trying to find out who might have made two chargers that are on offer locally. The two middle vertical rows are identical on each (pretty sure that the last part in the third vertical row from left on each says kutani), the first vertical row also seems somewhat similar on each (with two extra characters added on one). I'm not seeing a Dai Nippon on either, so I take it that they could be older?

I had no luck finding a similar signature on gotheborg :/

Help is greatly appreciated!

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24/06/2019 8:37 pm  

In the right column on the right hand plate , the third character is 'koku' /or 'kuni' - country or territory. But this is a simplified character , meaning perhaps that the charger was made after 1945? You would need to check about this 

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25/06/2019 6:33 am  

What are the fronts like?  The style may give a clue to the maker.


   
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Topic starter 25/06/2019 10:42 am  
Posted by: Julia

What are the fronts like?  The style may give a clue to the maker.

They are painted with excellent detail (the motive on one of them seems to be a Yokai!), the style is probably Meiji (from what I've gathered from looking around the web). I will probably see if I can get them. I will post pictures after that (pinky promise).

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25/06/2019 11:40 am  

Michael,

Here is my best translation at a high level (can’t give an exact reading) but here goes:

1st line Right: Location or subject of front decoration assuming these are landscapes

2nd line: From Kutani

3rd line: Hallmark

4th line: Artist’s name

Hope this helps.......George


   
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25/06/2019 12:02 pm  

Hi

Brett posted this link for Kutani and it is very much worth looking at. 

 

https://www.kutani.org/spip.php?article146


   
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25/06/2019 12:04 pm  

Read this first

https://www.kutani.org/spip.php?article30


   
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25/06/2019 1:24 pm  

Michael,

Did some further research regarding the right side lines on both plates.  I was correct in my initial response being locations.  One plate has "Ishikawa Prefecture" as it's first line, the other has "Kaga Province (Kaga no Kuni)" as it's location. 

George 


   
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Topic starter 25/06/2019 3:29 pm  

Thanks so far! I signed up to the kutani site yesterday, but had no luck finding an identical mark. I had also posted on facebook, and got a bit of translation there:

I haven't been able to find anything on an Eibei Masuda, nor Hanseido :/

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Topic starter 26/06/2019 3:08 pm  

Ok, should be safe to share the pictures now. Here you go!

From what I can see, the motif with the lady is the yokai known as Jorōgumo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jor%C5%8Dgumo

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26/06/2019 8:39 pm  

They look fantastic, very well done. 


   
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27/06/2019 2:28 am  

Very nice! Even without the markings on the back, I think it is safe to say these are Kutani.  Talking of safe, why is it now "safe" to show them?    Did you think they were stolen goods?

 


   
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Topic starter 27/06/2019 7:15 am  
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Very nice! Even without the markings on the back, I think it is safe to say these are Kutani.  Talking of safe, why is it now "safe" to show them?    Did you think they were stolen goods?

 

No, I just wanted to be sure to get them first and not make it to easy for someone else to find them online. Had a few bad experiences in the past with sharing too much information.

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27/06/2019 8:23 am  

Ah, I see.  I guess we don't know who else is looking at the boards and I believe one can find things just by photos these days.


   
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27/06/2019 4:50 pm  

Hi Michael -

I know very little about such pieces - but these are beautifully painted with very fine, detailed designs ...

My congratulations on acquiring ...

Stuart 


   
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