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Topic starter 28/01/2022 5:13 pm  

Hi folks,

I hope that someone might be able to help me with a large Satsuma vase. Its approximately 36"h x 24"w & d. This was something that my father had since the late '70/80s and am trying to identify the maker or writing on the bottom. If you have an idea of value, that would be an added bonus. This is not something that I am selling but will be giving it as a gift. 

Thank you in advance for any help.

Mark 

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Topic starter 28/01/2022 5:32 pm  
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28/01/2022 6:31 pm  

Go to the Reference bookcase and do search for Satsuma, The Joy of Beauty, compare your mark to Masayasu, painter for Kinkosan and others, Meiji.  The marks are alphabetical, looked similar to me. Sharon


   
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P.S. It is in group 2, signature without mark, I am basing the comparison on the top two characters. 


   
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28/01/2022 8:32 pm  

It’s just my opinion but I believe this vase was for the court. The crest on the front leads me to think this. 


   
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29/01/2022 3:27 am  

It is a very fine gift. It may be worth getting an expert evaluation? You could send photos to a relevant specialist at one of the auction houses. Put 36 inch Satsuma jar in the subject, I am sure it will grab their attention quite fast.

Or, I think the satsuma-database.nl site offer their opinion for a small fee. 

I think you need to know if it does have a high value because whoever you are giving it to will need to insure it.


   
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29/01/2022 11:55 am  

Hey Mark,

Super helpful site for looking up marks.  It takes a bit to go through.  You know I know we are strangers but I always appreciate a gift... Lol I jest.  Its really quite nice.

Jeremy

https://www.satsuma-database.nl/


   
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Topic starter 31/01/2022 3:11 pm  

@sharonp Thank you for the link, I really appreciate it 

 


   
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Topic starter 31/01/2022 3:12 pm  

@lotusblack Thanks, I am going to submit it to Peter and get his opinion about it


   
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Topic starter 31/01/2022 3:13 pm  

@julia Thanks Julia, I will explore that option as well


   
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Topic starter 31/01/2022 3:18 pm  

@jbeer2121 LOL, maybe after an excessive amount of Bourbon, but then I can use the excuse that i don't remember:)   I really appreciate the link. 


   
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Topic starter 31/01/2022 3:25 pm  

Thank you to all for the help that you have given, it puts me on a path to getting more information about it. I'll let you all know what comes of deeper looking into the piece. I gave it to her this weekend and she was floored by it. She has been a friend for many years and turned 75, she is like a second mother to me.  

It was worth it to see that shocked smile on her face.

 


   
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Topic starter 17/02/2022 10:12 am  

Just wanted to give all of you that helped out what Peter had to say about the piece. 

He said that it is not an imperial piece but was unusually big and a complicated construct. He dated it from 1875 to 1880, but could not identify the maker's mark. On a side note, I had a friend's mother who is from Japan look at the characters, and she said that it could be Sho-Satsumayaki or Sei-Satsumayaki, the 1st character could be read 2 different ways.  She does not know anything about antiques. 

The price at auction would bring between 3-4k or as high as 6k if it were in an auction with good lots of satsuma. In a high retail shop, NY or simial would have a retail value of 10-15k

 

Thank you again for all the help, have a good day.

@sharonp @jbeer2121  @julia @lotusblack 

 

Mark 


   
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