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@bartholin Thanks for telling me - I had in fact not noticed the pictures of the outside and the mark. My guess it was Jiaqing came from the inside picture only. The outside looks good to me too, probably commissioned work of the highest quality but I'm no expert with this kind of ware. On the side here are some numbers 1000, 3, 10 but I can't read the rest of it.
Birgit
@bartholin on my republic vase the slip was so thin that it look like pepper was sprinkled in the slip but don’t take my work for this as I could be off. But in the republic period they were making 18th century style export wares because the demand in the west was calling for antiques.
@bartholin I think the pictures are overexposed and the colors will be darker in person.
Thank you, Birgit! It's reassuring you still think it looks good with the remaining photos.
I just spent some time trying to translate the characters. I'm actually not sure if this is right but it's the best I could come up with.
Above the Danish Flag - it reads "行三十城省東粵"
Above the Folly fort - it reads "珠海東粵"
I can't really figure out what it means. I think "東粵" in both refers to Eastern Guangdong, and maybe "珠海" above the Folly fort is the city of Zhuhai? Or it could refer to the Pearl River. Still looking into the characters above the gates.
I'll keep an eye out for peppery slip when it arrives! Although, I don't see this bowl as slip-decorated - do you mean a peppery glaze?
@bartholin I guess the best term is the underglaze. The pepper look is not in the glaze but under the glaze. But it probably doesn’t matter because your bowl is most likely much older and I guest seeing blurry photo that could be shadows or anything
@julia Here is the Seton service reticulated basket scene you referred to for comparison and easy reference and for those who didn't see it when it was discussed before. John
Oh interesting. I think I might actually have a few pieces I'd say have that peppery appearance below the glaze. These are the photos I have in my files, but I'm not sure if they're what you're talking about. Each would date somewhere between 1800-1820 I think rather than republic:
Hi John, I did not know you need translation, tag me next me. You got most of them right.
行三十城省東粵 read from right to left. It the name of Port:
Thirteen Banks in Guangzhou was a tooth bank specializing in foreign trade in the Qing Dynasty. It was a monopoly institution designated by the Qing government to specialize in foreign trade. During the period of "one-stop trade", the development of "Thirteen Lines" reached its peak and became the "Southern Library of the Son of Heaven", which has direct trade relations with major countries in Asia, Europe and the United States. [1]
In 1757, following the promulgation of an edict that Emperor Qianlong [2] only left Guangdong Customs to do foreign trade, the foreign trade of the Qing Dynasty was locked in Guangzhou Thirteen Lines. Located on the edge of the Pearl River, there are Chinese and foreign trading venues where foreign ships gather at the Thirteenhang Port. Almost all major countries and regions in Asia, Europe, and America have had direct trade relations with the Thirteenhang. It has global trade routes to Europe, Latin America, South Asia, East Asia and Oceania. It is the only surviving Maritime Silk Road under the Qing government's closed-door policy.
珠海東粵: It's for Pearl River
Another 2 sets of characters are names of gates.
It's a beautiful bowl, love it.
Yin
Here are two for domestic market:
https://brunkauctions.com/lot/chinese-famille-rose-landscape-porcelain-bowl-4101606
Yours is for export, I think.
Yin
That pepper look is in Yins second link.
John,
Have you ever heard of the spy term “honeypot”? It is basically a sex based trap to lure someone into a comprising position in order to extract information, favors, or money. I think your bowl (pardon the pun) is a honeypot. My opinion of this item is that it was specifically created to trap a 20th/21st century collector. On a scale of 1 to 10, this bowl is 11 1/2 in terms of desirability! My God, the size (18”) is ginormous. I see the 15 3/4” diameter 18th century Hong bowl at Bayou Bend every week and I am still astonished at how something so large survived to the present. Your bowl ticks every box, and then some, that a modern collector would want to see or more importantly would want to possess. There is obviously a high level of skill associated with the creation of this object with an intent to achieve a substantial payday for the effort involved. You stated that you don’t have a lot of money tied up in this object. I’m glad for you in that regard. I strongly suspect somebody before you was not as lucky and spent a substantial amount of money on this ‘bitch’ of a bowl.
https://emuseum.mfah.org/objects/10816/punch-bowl?ctx=d53bae66ce2fc7e4b20846d779ef4b876fd62603&idx=8
@william Like Christine Keeler, who brought down a government, don't think so, just hounds being hounds. Honeypot can also refer to a more practical item. 😀
P.S. I'm still hoping by some miracle it will be a good one, but in any case, it will be worthy of being a place holder until another one comes along, my horse in today's derby will be #10, I have no money on him, but he looks good.
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