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Hi All,
I picked this up at an antique mall today. It was a lamp with the brass top covering the mouth and a wooden foot-stand, so I wasn't able to inspect it too closely before purchase. But due to the shape, the glaze and the old-looking (~1940s) electrical plug, I took a chance.
It's 10" tall (25cm) and almost 6" wide (15cm) and a very dark blue that's lighter where it thins around the mouth and above the foot. There's a fine crackle visible in bright light and the glaze stops neatly just above the foot. It doesn't appear to be ground down.
When I first saw the foot rim, I got more hopeful that it has some age, possibly 19th century. The bottom of the foot is smooth and feels worn from age. You can see the bottom is glazed and also crackled. The paste appears to be a very light off-white. It's not the pure sugar white of modern or imperial 18th century pieces.
I know monochromes can be very difficult to date, but I'd love to hear any (and all) opinions. Let me know if more pictures are needed. Thanks in advance and Happy New Year to all!
Craig
Those pictures make the blue look brighter than it is in real life. Only in direct sunlight does it look as bright as above.
Hi,
The photos would be better taken in indirect natural light , rather than under studio lights which cast shadows etc, and a clear picture of the mouth /top would be good.
To me this does not look like a very old Chinese vase: it's not very well-potted or shaped, imo, maybe it's Japanese - Japanese pieces often have the fine glaze crackle you can see here on the base and in the blue body. I suppose it could be mid C20th chinese too. Look forward to more pics.
tam
Hi Craig,
I agree with Tam. It doesn't look like Chinese to me either. The glaze doesn't match any of the antique Chinese porcelain category. This kind of cracks doesn't appear on Chinese blue glazed vases. It could be a modern pottery (no porcelain).
Xin
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Thank you Tam and Xin.
After posting last night, I started thinking the same as you: This is probably a Japanese vase. The shape isn't quite right for a Chinese vase, as the shoulder is too low on the body. The mouth also seems disproportionately wide. The glaze color also does not look like any of the standard Chinese monochromes. I then remembered I'd seen a similar glaze on a Meiji/Taisho vase in my collection. This one:
In any event, I'd still welcome any opinions on its age or origin. For now, I'm thinking Meiji/Taisho period, but am always open to new ideas. Here are some pictures in natural light:
Thanks again and have a great day,
Craig
(BTW, I'm the same person that started this thread. The forum seems to have mixed up my username, but Peter helped me sort that out.)
Hi Craig,
Don't know if this is useful but it might help if you could tell if the hole in the bottom was drilled after glazing. From what I can see, it looks like it may have been made that way as there appears to be an unglazed ring around the hole as though the glaze on the base was stopped short of the hole.
I don't know if that is really the case as I have only see lamp bases with glaze going into the hole ie clearly drilled before firing. However, this does look pretty neat and regular (except for one small bit - a repair?) unless the vase had a hole put in the base and it was tidied up afterwards by removing flaky glaze. It would explain the repair.
If it was made as a lamp, as opposed to made into a lamp, it might make it more likely to be the same age as the fittings it came with.
Julia
Thank you, Julia. Great suggestion. The hole was drilled after it was glazed and fired. You're correct about the parts that look as though the glaze was stopped short of the hole, but looking closely I see that the glaze was just ground off on those points. It looks like whoever drilled it did a very good job, apart from that small section where a larger flake came off. You can also see how they drilled through whatever label had been there originally. Too bad more of that didn't remain!
Craig
Ah interesting. There is a chance that it may have been deliberately done to artificially imply the vase is older than it is, but given the shape/style of this vase (ie not pretending to be anything valuable or rare) that seems unlikely.
More likely that it was done simply to be used as a vase, as indeed it was, and therefore could possibly be a reliable indication that it is older than the electrical fittings?
Thanks Julia. ?
Yes, I'm nearly certain the vase is older than the electrical fittings. There's no doubt the hole was drilled after the vase was glazed and fired. The most convincing sign of age is the feel you get when you lightly run your fingertips across the bottom of the foot. It has that compacted, worn smooth feeling you only get with old ceramics. (Of course that too can be faked on modern forgeries, but I don't think that's the case here. Because, as you say, this vase is too modest to be pretending to be anything valuable or rare.)
Any Japanese experts in the house?
Thanks again,
Craig
A french cobalt blue Sevres vase is also a possibility, a lot of those were fitted to lamps with gilded bronze mounts.
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