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Topic starter 25/10/2021 4:41 am  

Hoping for the best, middle best acceptable - anything else - very sad. 

How it is good in your eyes?

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25/10/2021 5:45 am  

Hi,

I can't comment too much as I am wearing contact lenses which means I can't see close up. 🤓 😊 It is interesting that one of the dragons appears to be drawn in a different style. I have not noticed that before.

Julia


   
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25/10/2021 6:06 am  

You say that it might be a mid quality Guangxu bowl, but as so often it’s the bottom that gives it away. Such a perfect bottom would be found on imperial quality only. But the painting is far from imperial I’m afraid. Also the inside looks glossy. I think it’s modern.
A few pictures to give you an idea how imperial Guangxu should look like. Sorry the bowl has no underglaze blue to compare with. Note how carefully it is painted. The colors don’t cross the outlines. The outlines themselves are very fine. The dragon body has the typical grid and dot pattern but each scale is only 1.5 mm wide.  Also note the fine graduations of iron red in the flower. 

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Topic starter 25/10/2021 6:12 am  

This is the closest example in terms of a glaze and colors which I did find;

 

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26272/lot/42/?category=list#/


   
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25/10/2021 11:21 am  

I see the Bonhams one has two different types of dragon scales - I have not noticed this before, does that have any meaning? 

That is a good comparison piece, clearly the same design, but you can see that your one still lacks the quality - look at the dragons' eyes and the head/neck of the phoenix for example.


   
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25/10/2021 11:31 am  

From the foot, glaze and paintings, it leads me to believe this is a newer bowl.

 


   
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25/10/2021 12:36 pm  

@Julia,

I think your absolutely correct here. Apparently guangxu period dragon bowls were made in two different ways/styles.

I am not convinced though that the bowl posted is a genuine example for all reasons already outlined. The glaze for one looks new. 

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Topic starter 27/10/2021 12:27 am  

Wow - this is what I call an informative opinion (with no disrespect to anyone here or elsewhere). And probably this kind of answer me or you or anyone else, possibly seeking when seeking for the answers.

My hat is off as this is not paid service, open free discussion 

Posting this here, maybe it will be useful to someone in the future.

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"I appreciate the quality of your photography, which leaves no doubt in my mind that this is an instance of a modern artist or group of artists striving hard to produce a convincing facsimile of a Guangxu imperial porcelain. I've put together a collection with its fair share of Guangxu and other late Qing porcelains guided in large part by the catalogs of the late German collector Georg Weishaupt, who assembled a collection of late Qing wares which helped dissuade skeptics who before his time believed these products had no place beside fine porcelain arts in the museum and other collections.

Your bowl has no serious individual flaws, just enough variances in things like the tone of some pigments, the way the dragons are conceived and drawn, and an overall look of newness. Rather than sit around and pontificate, though, I've pulled out some photos of a pair of my favorite Guangxu tea bowls which actually lack a Guangxu reign mark but have one that reads "Jin Yu Zhen cang (金玉珍藏), "From the precious collection of treasure". These date to around 1900 and are as finely painted as many imperial porcelain. Some fine points missing in your bowl I believe are the dragon's lack of much resemblance to those of the early Qing Kangxi period, which was a trait of the Guangxu period. Also, the fine detailing in designs on your bowl shows evidence of an unsteady hand on the brush, which would never have been tolerated in porcelain for the palace. A third point would be the tone of the iron red pigment of the dragon on your bowl, whereas this color in the Guangxu era varied from what is seen on one of my cups and varies in some cases to a brighter orange.

I would urge you to seek out the Weishaupt auction catalogs "From the Dragon's Treasure" and "The Great Treasure" if you don't already have them. The former volume shows various porcelain markings of the late Qing Era, beginning with the Jiaqing reign."

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