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I think this is my first Fukagawa piece and I know virtually nothing about them. I read that this version of the mark is more modern but I'm curious if anyone can more accurately date it for me? Thanks! John
Hi John,
The scented orchid company started in about 1879 and continues today.
Generally speaking the blue orchid is later than the red. The blue came into effect at the start of the 20th century.
Judging by the back and mark it looks circa 80's. The central design looks mid 20th Century.
Mark
John, that is very nice. It looks so fresh still, but I think it might be Taisho because of the single spur. However, I am not sure when the use of that stopped, but if you can find out you have a beginning (blue mark) and end to when it could have been made.
The mark - orchid of Fukugawa. Original it started in 1875 when the company "Koransha" was started in Arita when Ezaimon Fukagawa founded the original company. As far as I know these blue orchid marks are modern. Your dish 1950s best case scenario. As Mark did motion, red orchid mark can indicate older pieces (late Meiji) - if not later repro of course.
Here is a similar blue mark and spur. I am not saying the dating is spot on, it could be a bit later ie into the 1910s, but it shows the blue mark is not strictly modern, but was used in the early 20th c as Mark said.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/265768958467
Julia, your eBay example, easily can stretch-out the to early 20c. When looking at John's dish, painted pattern - to me pattern looks modern. Not like, modern, modern - but modern enough, vintage.
Yes, I think that plate is probably the 1910s to 20s, but I was using it to show the back as you said the mark was modern. I simply wanted to show it was used before the modern era ie 1950 onwards.
The feel of my plate is consistent with mid 20th c porcelain so I given what you all have said think that dating makes good sense. Thanks everyone.
I saw that, but I have also seen criticism on two other sites about Japanese marks on Gotheborg so I keep an open mind, besides we don't know what that mark was on it could well have been on a modern piece.
As I mentioned earlier, we can't ignore the spur on the base. I have often seen this on Taisho pieces, perhaps it was even used a bit later, but I certainly haven't seen it on any modern 20th c plates.
So, I just tried to find out when that kind of support stopped being used, at the moment all I have come up with is a comment on Gotheborg saying that they thought it stopped being used around 1930s. From what I have seen which of course may be a very long way from everything, I would agree with that.
I may be wrong, but it is still the case that the dating of John's dish has to take into consideration not only the orchid mark, but that spur.
Julia, too lazy today, to write up long posts. We can ignore mark & spur mark when dating Joh's dish. We can focus at the footrim (which looks to me fairly new) and painted pattern. Nicely done, but personally to me, there is ho life & "depth" within this pattern & dish.
If we can't trust respectable sources as Gotheborg , etc, my question is: who we can trust then? As I love to say: 5 different "experts" and possibly 5 different opinions, unless it's obvious.
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