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I went to an antiques fair in Copenhagen on friday. There was quite a few reproductions and export blue-and-white in bad condition, but before I left I did find these tea bowls and saucers, that I thought might be an ok buy (I payed around US$110 for the lot).
There are 4 different patterns...
1. 2 saucers and 1 tea bowl with a squirrel and grapes pattern. I'm guessing Qianlong?
2. 1 saucer and 2 tea bowls with flowers and rock. Looks like it could be Yongzheng?
3. 1 tea bowl with people in a garden and house. The faces seem to correspond to Eklöfs q11, so Qianlong c. 1750-60, likely.
4. 1 saucer and 1 teabowl with a spray of flowers design. This is very delicately painted, but even though the footrims look alright and the size is the same as the rest, I can't shake the feeling that this might not be Chinese, but maybe early continental, maybe Meissen? Might just be a later Qianlong design with European inspired flowers.
The tea bowls measure between 7 and 7.5 cm in diameter and the saucers measure around 11-11.5 cm in diameter.
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My first impression from the style of decoration, the way the flowers are painted and the colour and texture of the porcelain, and the bases , is that these are all older European porcelain, rather than Chinese, but I can't see very clearly from the photos, esp the bowl with the figures.
look forward to some better images
tam
Hi Michael,
I think you are right about point 4. I don't recall seeing thistles and cyclamen on Chinese porcelain before. Not too long ago, but too far back for decent recall, I read something about thistles - I think it was about decoration on porcelain but I am not sure. If I can remember where I say it or if it is relevant I will let you know. Or maybe someone else knows what I am talking about?
As for the plate with the squirrel, (I thought it was a mouse!) I am not entirely convinced by the decoration (rather clunky-looking) and is the shape unusual or is that a reflection?
The other saucer, I think, is fine for 18th c Chinese.
Not sure about dating the cup with figures, I'm not quite happy with the colours and it is hard to see the faces from upside down, but to be honest, better photos, including back/profiles of the dishes might help.
Julia
Yes, I tend to agree with Tam, possibly European, but certainly not Meissen since they marked their items from the beginning. Other European manufactures mostly marked their items too, so I really don't know what you've got there. Better pictures, escpecially of the people, would be good.
Birgit
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Hi Michael,
my first thought was: not Chinese, but you were right, there's a similar lady in category q11 in the face book. So I think it's indeed Qianlong, although not the best quality. As to the other items I really don't know. Some of our experts might shed some light on them. I really like the squirrel, even if it's not from China.
Birgit
Hi Michael,
my first thought was: not Chinese, but you were right, there's a similar lady in category q11 in the face book. So I think it's indeed Qianlong, although not the best quality. As to the other items I really don't know. Some of our experts might shed some light on them. I really like the squirrel, even if it's not from China.
I imagine that the detail on the saucer might have been better, it is still a pretty small area to cram that much painting onto! ? but I feel a bit happy about having successfully used Eklöfs book! I deserve a cookie! ?
Concerning the squirrel cup and saucer, I found a cup for sale on trocadero in the same pattern. I've seen another one on catawiki with squirrels and grapes, but slightly different pattern and a bit more simplified.
A question I had been meaning to ask was, is there a really great book just with export patterns?
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The Trocadero squirrel looks a lot like yours. Global Ceramics is a good seller that you can trust.
I still miss one book that shows all the less expensive and usual export items. I have several books and though informative all have their drawbacks.
- Rose Kerr: Chinese Export Ceramics. Shows high quality items and museum pieces that we will probably never find.
- Jean McClure Mudge: Chinese Export Porcelain in North America. Only items exported to America, some high class, but also medium and simple quality items.
- Herbert Schiffer: Chinese Export Porcelain. Focussed on the USA, mostly black and white pictures, great ressource for Rose Mandarin collectors.
- Anthony Allen: The Detection of Fakes. Although not specialized on export porcelain, the book shows many of the popular designs that you encounter everywhere. If I were to buy just one book I would buy this one.
Birgit
Thanks Birgit, I have Allen's book, but am unsure how useful the books on American export would be to me (I'm in Denmark), but will check them out.
I wonder if Christiaan Jürg might have done a book on export patterns? The only problem there would be that most of his books are OOP (happy I got the Famille Verte book).
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I still am not convinced by the cup. I can see the similarity with the book but the face on the cup is not the right shape and I have never seen figures with heads too big for their bodies on Qianlong pieces. I may well be wrong, but am wondering it it could be a 19th c copy?
There are some Qianlong squirrels here, too.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sftrajan/7140341005/in/set-72157629390838342?ytcheck=1&new_session=1
Sorry, I couldn't get the picture to appear, you will have to click on the link.
I still am not convinced by the cup. I can see the similarity with the book but the face on the cup is not the right shape and I have never seen figures with heads too big for their bodies on Qianlong pieces. I may well be wrong, but am wondering it it could be a 19th c copy?
There are some Qianlong squirrels here, too.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sftrajan/7140341005/in/set-72157629390838342?ytcheck=1&new_session=1
Sorry, I couldn't get the picture to appear, you will have to click on the link.
Hi Julia, I did notice the part about the head, but as far as I can see, the only head that is a bit bigger (compared to the body), is the head of the female in both panels. The male and the child both look ok, so I wonder if it was just exaggerated a bit to make her look more thin or petite, or maybe to make her face more expressive? I did check the other faces in Eklöfs book (unfortunate that not more of the upper bodies are visible in the examples), and in some of them it does look like the heads might be slightly larger compared to their body size.
Concerning the squirrel, I didn't pick up on it before, but Global Ceramics suggests that it might not be a squirrel, but a treeshrew. Having to google to actually figure out what a treeshrew looks like, I have to agree, it looks alot more like a treeshrew than a squirrel.
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A good haul and a big mystery 🙂
I love the treeshrew! ❤️
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