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Topic starter 25/10/2018 4:55 pm  

I presume these are Famille verte but they seem exceptionally lovely. I am thinking they might be special. They have zero bids.   

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUPERB-ANTIQUE-CHINESE-PORCELAIN-JUG-PANELS-FIGURES-BIRDS-FLOWERS/192694886563?hash=item2cdd82a0a3:g:XFkAAOSwAuJbyb2m

 

 

 

 


   
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25/10/2018 5:55 pm  

Hello Short dong

the little creamer with the handlebroke that about all it worth.

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Topic starter 25/10/2018 6:09 pm  

Hi John,

Yep, it's a shame and those handles are always broken. Not uncommon. Do you have any idea what they are. They seem interesting. The plate is in good condition. 


   
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25/10/2018 6:20 pm  

I would call these canton famille verte, meaning export ware , made plain in Jingdezhen, shipped down to Guangzhou, decorated and then sent overseas, mainly to Europe - they are the same style (with birds and flowers , and panels of court men and women ) as canton famille rose but in a different palette, and imo, these particular ones are nice but not top quality. Quite unusual to see them in these colours , but some of the enamels are rubbed /not clear. probably early C19th.

The shapes are indicative of export , chinese people didn't and don't use these kind of plates and sauce boats at table, so they are always made for export.. 

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Topic starter 25/10/2018 6:24 pm  

Thank you so much Tam. The plate is a little different and intriguing. 


   
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27/10/2018 4:26 am  

Dear all,

this one is an example of a very particular type of Chinese ware.

As Tam noted, they have a distinct feature. The use of the pale color palette is very distinctive. A lot of green too. All them are over-decorated, especially the rim is particularly elaborated, with motifs never seen in other types of ware. Sometimes with a celadon background.

In my opinion they are so distinctive that they worth to be classified properly, but I have never found something in the literature nor about the exact period and place of manufacture.

I did start a discussion about them on Gotheborg, where Tommy Eklof coined a special name for them which suits quite well: mauve mandarin, because very often the mauve color is present. The consensus is that they should be dated about second half of 19th century.

Here is an example of mine.

Giovanni


   
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27/10/2018 6:14 am  

Very interesting, dear Giovanni and Short Dong. I had not seen this kind of decoration before. It might have been a kind of alternative to rose mandarin that died out because buyers wanted the more colorful rose mandarin items. 

Birgit


   
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Topic starter 27/10/2018 8:26 pm  

It sold for 25 pounds and the jug sold for £9. 

 

I also found this plate, and while i really like the artwork, i question the age the seller has assigned to it ..19th century. Would it be more republican?

 

 


   
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Topic starter 27/10/2018 8:52 pm  

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/19th-century-Chinese-antique-famille-rose-plate/292780811855


   
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27/10/2018 11:32 pm  

already sold for £18, I personally don't like this , because the colours are too dark , and what is that animal in the middle ? a dog ? the seller calls it a cow , even though it has toes, ..... but I think your're right it's  C20th, possibly later . This seller has mainly fake items on his selling and sold lists , so take care .

The original 'mauve mandarin' items were cheap , imo

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Topic starter 28/10/2018 12:34 am  

Thanks Tam, 

Indeed what is it 🙂 

It does have an appeal as it is unusual and quite well painted. I am not sure it is fake, it could be a republic. 


   
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