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Hello everyone,
Thank you very much for the comments and for your time taking a look at this lovely Hoho Boy.
Michael, I am very happy that my post contributed to review the quality of your boy! It really is very good when there are so many different views and ideas about our objects, it is always a very constructive debate and I really appreciate this forum and the help of all of you, I learned a lot in this thread!
Greeno, Thank you so much for the good references and for your analysis of enamels and other features. I also thank Giovanni for his guidance and analysis. I will keep looking on the internet and books for any work that fits with mine, thinking that it could be something between the 19th and 20th centuries, if I find something I will share it here with you!
All the best,
MB
@clayandbrush Thanks for the correction with enamel an glaze. I do fumble on terminology time to time, not to memtion I seem to always be fighting with my auto correct.
Hello All,
My figure has had his wash and looks a little better. Have taken more photos so you can see the details a little better I hope. You will note the very wobbly and hesitating way al the straight lines are painted on my figure. The base looks much better now it is clean but you can still see the join line that run horizontally across the base when the figure is laying down, this line can be felt rather than seen running vertically up the sides of the figure and can be noticed running across his head. My photos are not the best but the colors are at least true to life. You will note the muddy nature of the red, the weakness of the yellow around his writs and ankles. The green area's are outlined in black. I have searched in vain for a transitional period boy with closed legs you will note all the fine examples found by @greeno107 have a space between the legs whereas on mine the are molded together. All these factors being combined I still think my figure is a latter copy. However if @clayandbrush and @greeno107 have a different opinion that's a good thing and I will have to keep researching. iIt is a interesting thread to me at least of all the places I searched for information on faimille vert one of the best was found right here on Bidamount, link below. If you scroll down on the link there is a Ho Ho or He He boy although of different form to the ones we have discussed it has an open mouth and is 18thc which brings us back to the figure posted originally here by @mb1991 which apart from the problematic orange color and black outlines seems much better quality than my figure.
Michael.
https://bidamount.com/qing-famille-verte-porcelain
@brettm Look how handsome he's become after taking a shower! I see the molding line - this was a high production piece as can also be confirmed by the loose strokes of the decor. Molding is an old technique, finer quality pieces were then retouched by hand (lesser pieces not so much I suspect), so I would not discount on the basis of this alone.
Porcelain looks quite white in color, face is very nicely rendered, colors are correct for 17th c, and although loosely rendered, the brocade fabric pattern looks naturally drawn.
I'm not great on the timeline/history of production methods, so I have nothing further to add on the mold lines, but I like your boy and I think he is older than 19th - 20th c.
Regarding the comparison of the 18th c. figure of a ho ho boy with an open mouth in the article referenced by Michael, compared to the subject figure with an open mouth, I think this is an apples and oranges comparison.
The 17th & 18th c. standing ho ho boys seem to follow a very uniform look, probably because they were produced in mass, with some variation in how they were decorated.
The crouching figure in the article is high quality - low production figure.
To my eyes, the subject figure with its rounded features and almost comical expression has its merits, but as a late Qing - Republic piece.
Hello,
@greeno107 Yes after a lot of searching with out luck for a reliable example I am thinking that @mb1991 figure is much more likely to be more recent than 17th/18thc but still a very nicely done version and it will be interesting to see if any 19thc or early 20thc examples turn up from reliable sources. As far as mine is concerned still not convinced the black out lines around the green and the closed legs make it doubtful in my eyes. Agree with you regarding the overall finish at all periods items very made in different qualities for different markets and pockets.
Thanks for all your input and hard work finding all those interesting links and examples.
Michael
Dear Greeno, Michael, Giovanni, Sharon and Vic,
I would like to thank you for this very productive conversation and for all the research you have shared. Here I am still looking for some example that matches my boy, and when I find it I will share it here!
All the best,
MB
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