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Here’s a standard plaque, I believe Guangxu period, measuring about 14” x 10”. Very typical size for these type of plaques.
I think the support markings on the back demonstrate how the weight of the plaque posed a real challenge to porcelain makers who were trying to keep the plaque from warping during the firing process.
If the technology existed in the 19th c. to create large flat plaques with perfect edges, I suspect that all Republic plaques and beyond would have smooth backs.
The smooth back and finished edges is most certainly an improvement in the execution, and I believe the result of modern methods.
I found the auction listing for this plaque... measures 44.5cm x 45cm, that's 14" x 14", so double the size of a typical plaque... that is quite unusual.... a very large plaque.
The listing was titled using all the keywords needed for Chinese buyers to see it and the seller is very reputable, and yet, it sold at a relatively low amount.
A genuine Guangxu piece should have brought 5-10 times that amount because of the design and size. The market has spoken... not Guangxu I'm afraid.
Hi Tim, I have followed this thread and enjoy learning more. Here is the plague I posted a few weeks back and you said it’s 20th c. It has support marking and the edge is not smooth neither . It’s a big one as well: 13” x22”.
Hello,
Sorry I missed all the discussion.. Yes it is about 44cm square. I don't see an issue with the size. Here is a kangxi example that is bigger than mine.. (I am not saying the one I have is kangxi, just saying that there were large plaques before the late 19th / early 20th)
@thomasumjohnson The point about the size is specific to the use of supports that cause ridges on the back of the plaque.
While small plaques were created in the 19th c and earlier without the need of supports that cause the ridges, large plaques always have the ridges, until around 1970 where plaques began to be made using another method that did not cause the ridges.
Since your plaque is twice the size of a standard rectangular plaque, there is no evidence such a plaque could have been made during the 19th c. without the use us supports which would have made the ridges.
@thomasumjohnson BTW… did you read the description of the Kangxi piece you cited?
The plaque is lacquer, not porcelain. Only the figurative portion is porcelain, then inset into a later made lacquer panel.
@greeno107 AH ok.. The auction house (that I know very well) is notoriously quick with the hammer. I put my bid in 4 - 5 seconds after the first bid and he bought the hammer down right away, literally in one second or less.. A good place to buy but a bad place to sell..
Here is a very large Guangxu plaque, but unfortunately we can't see the back
https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-5891283
@thomasumjohnson Yes, some large plaque examples exist. Occasionally they were used as table top insets.
However, if you are hoping this beautiful Qianjiang plaque/screen you’ve cited might lack the ridges we’ve been discussing…..well, hope springs eternal, but it would be the first and only genuine Qianjiang plaque to ever exhibit the absence of those tell-tale ridges to my knowledge.
I don't think the scales are going in the wrong direction.. It is the body that is twisted (out of view from behind the head) the body of the dragon has looped and changed direction, coiled up, notice the underside of the body is on the opposite side in this section... I guess we need to clarify the back of the piece in order to determine when it was made, if any of these larger plaques were fired without supports in the earlier years..
@thomasumjohnson Just to provide some additional history regarding the dragon design during the 1970-80’s….
China had just opened their borders up to the world, and an exhibition of Chinese artistry was making the rounds at every major museum (I was only about 8 years old at the time).
Coinciding with these exhibitions was the production of high quality reproductions that demonstrated superb artistry, but nonetheless we’re made from modern materials.
Here are two large fishbowls I own that I believe are of similar period as your plaque.
I recognize they’re not the same style, and bowls are different than plaques,
but I think there are very similar qualities to the enamel work and degree of detail.
@greeno107 Henceforth you shall be known as "he who stacks fishbowls high".
The back also look good for this period. In line with wood fired kiln.
Hi Mark,
Do you still stand by what you said above in relation to the back of the Plaque? It is a large plaque at 44.5cm square..
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