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Hi Lysanda,
You ask what do you think. I think you are very lucky a very attractive jar and in an impressive size 44cm ! To my eye it is nicely decorated with good space between the enameled decoration. But I suspect you already know that part and looking for help with type, age ect.
Well I have very limited knowledge and will hazard some guesses to see if any knowledge I have picked up here on Bid Amount has stuck in my sometimes hollow head. It is decorated in the Famile Rose palette on a yellow ground, with foliate scrolls and enameled flowers. The enamel flowers seem to be done with care and shading. The foot rim is nicely neatly trimmed. From what I can see of the white porcelain it seems good quality free from major flaws, pits, and pin holes. Think you may have a good 19thc jar could be older. On the other hand i might just be an empty air head so don't get exited on my thoughts. When you say more yellow but still green do you mean it has a green cast all over like celadon or that the yellow is tinged a little bit green. From the photo's the only green I can see is in the decoration around the shoulder.
Michael
This is the type of porcelain that I would rather put down than take a risk. The waist of the jar is very thin and this type of thin waist usually appears in the jars in early 18th century. The scroll pattern on the background looks like 19th century but it’s too dense, too busy, and monotonous instead of being artistic. The paste on the foot rim looks like mid-18th century and the glaze at the bottom doesn’t look very convincing... When these information are not consistent with each other and you are not 100% confident about the authenticity of an antique, you don’t have to persuade yourself to buy it. Just a little advice for your consideration.
It is a very pretty piece!
However, for what it's worth, I find the look of the base (the glazed part not the foot rim) isn't right somehow but my main impression is that lovely though this is, the shading on the flowers/leaves is poor. See how the colour just stays more at the edges in straight lines as though the artist has painted across them instead of into them. What I mean is the shading should go into the leaves and petals to give depth and perspective and I don't feel that is achieved. Basically, it looks to be painted in the wrong direction.
That of course may mean nothing, it may happen all the time and I haven't noticed, but for me personally, it is something I find not quite right.
Julia
Hi Lysander,
Could you please post a picture of the inside of the lid/top please?
Mark
Hi Mark,
here you have pictures. Also mouth of the vase, with damages and some details of the decoration.
BTW - base was cleaned, maybe that's why it looks too good.
Best regards,
Lysander
P.S. Thanks to everybody for answers and thoughts!
Hi Lysander,
Thank you for posting the other pictures I requested.
The reason I asked for a picture of the inside of the lid is with genuine later 19th century ginger jars like yours are they are normally glazed. Although you do see unglazed ones from time to time. However the glaze is uneven with pot/other marks. This is due to the uneven heat in the wood furnace. Your lid appears to be perfect without these issues etc. It also looks like it's been stained/other to give the appearance of age.
The issue of uneven glaze and or pot marks is not evident in post 1960's porcelain where the furnace is fired with gas to give a perfect even temperature throughout.
This issue of course was not present where imperial pieces were being produced etc. Even today the fakers are deliberately making pit/other marks along with uneven glaze to give the appearance of age.
If you run your fingers through the inside of the jar you will find that it is fairly even (not the base). On jars like yours made prior to say 1950 the clay would have to be manually scooped out making the interior uneven. On modern ones it's done by machinery and is a perfect scoop. I learned that from Dr Lori.
Your jar for reasons already posted by other members along with my thoughts above suggest that it is a modern interpretation. The issue of modern gas kilns versus wood ones is a difficult area. Something I am still studying atm.
Still a nice decorative piece. Below is an example of a late 19th century glazed lid. Please note the difference.
Mark
I was thinking that it reminded me of something I have heard being referred to as Noyonya Straigths. I tried to check wikipedia, but didnt find anything. Google brought up several pictures with similar style of decorations. It may be a common way of mistyping the term Noyonya S..... In short, what is this?
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