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Hi folks, stumbled upon this brush holder/washer on a local auction (it is 16cm tall and 20cm in diameter, seems a little wide for a brush washer or holder?). Am I correct if I call this doucai and probably kangxi mark and period? The decoration seems to fit the period, as well as the faces, but I'm still a novice in using Eklöfs book for dating purposes. I also did a bit of comparison with the colors, and they seem to fit the period as well. What do you think?
Regards, Michael
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Dear Michael,
Sorry to disappoint, but to my eye, this is a new product. There are a lot of copies of this type circulating in the market lately.
Best wishes,
Alan
Dear Michael,
Sorry to disappoint, but to my eye, this is a new product. There are a lot of copies of this type circulating in the market lately.
Best wishes,
Alan
Hi Alan, I must admit I'm having a hard time seeing what might be wrong with it. Is is the foot? The shape of the pot? Is the decoration to stiff compared to real pieces, or are the colors slightly off, or? I would guess that if this was really kangxi, there would be more fritting on the edges, especially for something that was used?
Looking to learn! ?
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Dear Michael,
I think what you could most usefully do in order to upskill on Kangxi doucai would be to get access to some real examples. It's possible to buy authentic pieces that will not cost the earth, though for sure, high-end Kangxi doucai is very costly. If you aren't in a position to buy, then look at examples in museums. Illustrations in books are also helpful, but won't take you as far as being in the presence of the real thing will. That's always your first port of call, in whatever way you are able to arrive at it.
I might say that the colours on the pot you have showed are all a little too aggressive, the effect is too even, and in general, the work looks much too fresh. Fritting can often be found on Kangxi period porcelain (and on other period porcelains too, outside Kangxi), but it isn't inevitable. If you find it, yes, it could be an age indicator, but you would need to weigh it in conjunction with a range of other factors. Judgment never or hardly ever depends upon any one sole criterion.
Best wishes,
Alan
Yes I agree this is recent - the colours look very washed out, and the decoration has none of the life of qing porcelain , imo. The figures are very stiff, and positioned in strange relations with each other , especially the two main figures. If you look at the way the clouds and rocks are painted they are very crudely done and lack depth or 'art' for want of a better word.... just my thoughts.
Real doucai kangxi brush washers , as Alan says, are highly desired and valued. I'm sure you can find plenty of examples in the christies and sothebys' back catalogues.
tam
It's definitly a modern copy. Alan and Tam are right. The whole composition is too weak. Faces are very modern. The painter of this brush pot is not an experienced and well trained one. Look at all lines on the pot, the painter could not draw a line fluently.
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The hand! The hand, dear Michael, you have to train your eye on the hand.
Each period, in any Art form, has his own hand. You can see the difference between a Renaissance painting of the 14th century and one of the 16th century. Different styles and different hands. One can copy the style of the 14th century, but his hand is not that of a painter of the 14th century.
Eklof’s book dedicated to the recognition of face’ style is excellent, and actually the faces on your brush pot are in Kangxi style, but that is just the style, the hand is missed.
And you will not find a book explaining how to recognize the hand, because that is really hard to explain. It is matter of trained eye, which our brain elaborates after having seen a certain quantity of originals.
This is essentially what Alan, Tam and Xin said here.
Giovanni
Very well said, Giovanni. It seems to me there are so many Kangxi fakes, because the faces are easy to copy, they are rather simple compared to e.g Qianlong faces. True Kangxi will always look lively and elegant. As has been said here before, the figures on this brush pot are stiff and look nondescript.
On the last pages of Eklöf‘s book you can find many examples where he directly compares old faces and their modern copies. This is a good way to train the eye.
Birgit
Is the colour of under glaze blue a giveaway , I see many fakes around with this washy pale faded blue colour?
there is so little underglaze blue on this, that you couldn't draw any conclusions from that.(also kangxi blues vary in tone and depth)
there is no single damning element. It's what Giovanni said.
tam
The overall issue for me is that I see is a jar with no soul, which is another way of saying what Giovanni did. It looks like someone has copied something with little understanding of what it is they are drawing.
Making good copies is hard. Imagine trying to copy a line of Greek or Russian or Chinese words without any understanding of how to form the characters, how they relate to each other or what they are conveying - assuming you don't speak/write those languages. It is almost worth trying. To someone who doesn't know the language, the results may pass muster, but the native speaker will see the difference.
That is kind of what is happening here. For those of us without that "fluency" in Chinese porcelains, it is necessary to look at a lot of genuine items in order to get a sense of when something is just wrong.
It is fun, though, and such a good feeling when you start to get things right! ?
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