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Hey all,
I got this vase for a reasonable price at this nearby auction, around $10. It has a partial wax seal applied, has some hallmarks of age but I'm waiting to get it in person next to actually evaluate it further. Has anyone seen something similar to this? I plan to resell it, but I need to know the period before I go to do so. It's a unique piece so its not a loss in my book, but really just concerned about the age than anything else at the moment.
Thanks for looking and your time!
An online auction called Bidsquare has the very same vase right down to the funky looking red wax seal with an estimate of 40 to 80 dollars located in Paoli, Pennsylvania in case you want a pair. I thought of dear Giovanni and his Christmas trash can when I saw it. Maybe that is a good sign, because I also thought of my late Mom asking, "what is the meaning of this, did I do something to upset you." It certainly would be a hit as a white elephant gift, hideous enough to be valuable, so I hope someone knows what is the meaning of the funky red seal.
P.S. Could it be Japanese, does not really look like moriage work, but the frogs are sweet, wish the artist had chosen to make them green istead of brown, in fact, I wonder if it turned brown in the kiln by accident? If it were Japanese then why would it have the funky red wax seal?
P.P.S. Did the Chinese copy Japanese Satsuma moriage work?
@sharonp actually that's the same auction I won it off of, so sadly not a clone or a pair possible with it for this one. It makes for a unique one off at least either way about it. I'm planning on picking this up next week at some point with a couple of grabs I have locked in from nearby hunts so far.
The enameling reminded me of lower quality satsuma moriage works as well, but the wax seal has chinese hallmarks. It's an oddity with its origin. I've seen more motifs of frogs with Chinese works rather than japanese, too.
For attributed or Imitation Satsuma moriage and other forms from earlier periods, maybe, but I'm not researched about this yet. I know Imari was known to be copied and attributed with certain chinese works during various Qing Dynasty periods at one point, but I cannot confirm if any qing dynasty productions had particularly sought to do this with Satsuma, minus more vintage works we know too well about today.
Could it be an over-painted appliqué-decorated chicken skin vase? The sideways view reminds me of them as they are often slightly flattened.
The seals are presumably for export; is the one on the side more complete?
@julia it appears so per the photos, there is much more on the one side of it.
I checked other export seal designs as well and confirmed this is one as well from what I could find, the seal in the photo attached above is actually upside down.
Sorry, I hit thumbs down by mistake and it actually worked. 😳 That's the first time I have noticed that. I will try to change it. If not have one here. 👍
it is authentic Qing piece. I have seen similar items of water dropper; vases are rare.
@jiawei-he I really appreciate your eye for this, this makes me happy that I can train my eye in person with this addition. Thank you so much!
I have it in my possession now, and have been able to take more photos and describe it more directly now.
- What I thought were frogs may actually be turtles by shape, they are featureless minus the appendages but their humped shape suggests a shell body while the appendages form flippers similar to turtles.
- There are two long blackened vertical streaks appearing to encapsulate most of the detailed portion. One shorter than the other, and one has welling.
- Every furling apart of the stem network has a sharp streak leading away from each in vertical fashion. The bottom-most trailing to the bottom, and the top-most trailing to the top.
- The dusty brown coating is unpolished and a satiny texture. It feels akin to a graveled surface.
- The interior of the vase is polished ceramic.
- There is one hairline crack leading across one of the leaves, across the surface of body. Some of the turtles appear to have cracks across the appendages joints, suggesting weak spots during the firing.
- There is another part of the wax seal placed upon one of the leaves. It appears to be from the same seal on the bottom.
Age is still being evaluated.
@pbarski93 An amphibian vase! I like it.
Have you tried cleaning it up? Looks like it could be a little dirty.
According to my book, frogs represent fertility and are associated with water. There is a picture of a potted frog scholar's water pot in the book that kind of resembles your vase in style. Could it be a water dropper rather than a vase?
@pbarski93 P.S. Oh, wait, you said they aren't frogs. My mistake. (Too late to edit my earlier post.)
@steve thanks Steve! No worries, it could just be how small the frogs are on the vase which makes it hard to distinguish what they actually are supposed to represent. If I had to guess between the size of the leaves, the size of the balls which actually look like frog eggs, and then compared to the animals themselves; it might be a good representation of being frogs instead of turtles.
The texture of the frog brush pot matches both the enameling and the dusty brown coating too, so this is a plus. Also the dot pattern matches how the vase pattern appears. Couple it with @jiawei-he 's statement about seeing brush pots like this vase, and it starts piecing the puzzle together.
Sounds probable and likely these would be a match, and the age would make sense with it too.
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