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Dear All,
When I purchased this item it was sold as Japanese Arita. I bought it mainly because I liked the decoration Boy and buffalo. Something did not look right with the spur marks and I thought it might not be from Japan. I did some research and with the helpful advice received on another forum and the Alain Truong archive I have concluded my saucer dish is Chinese and may date from the early 18th century. I realise I may be being a bit optimistic with my date as these Ge type wares were revived in the 19th century also. I have based my thoughts on the decoration and the iron red over the glaze spots. The over glaze red has been used sparingly more typical of an earlier date I think. It is 28 cm wide. Would appreciate thoughts from the Bid Amount brains trust.
Regards and Cheers
Michael
This kind of plates with 7 brown spur-marks are mostly made at Qianlong period and the motif inside the plate also.
But just from the painting style and condition of the crackle I would say it's a late Qing copy of Qianlong plate.
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I remember this plate, it was in my spotty cow thread - the animals have similar hooves. I actually thought the painting style looked ok for 18th c but that just shows my lack of experience, in fact, I have hardly ever seen these plates and certainly couldn't comment on things like crackles!
I agree about it most likely being Chinese. My only hesitation with 18th c was actually what the child was wearing and I couldn't find anything comparable but as children are usually depicted as playing or studying, why would they be wearing clothes for working in the fields?
Maybe someone could check the face in Tommy Ekloff's book?
Julia
Dear All,
Thank you all for your replies. Sorry a little late expressing my gratitude has been a busy weekend.
Julia I am currently awaiting delivery of the facial recognition book it is winging it's way to me from the USA. I did tack my saucer dish on to your spotty cow post I had only had my item a couple of days then, I still think you are very fortunate to have that plate I am a little green with envy. Although the concept of Boy and Buffalo is a very old in Asian culture It is surprisingly difficult to find the motive on blue and white wares. I am also currently awaiting delivery of a little saucer all the way from Wales with this decoration. Still if things were easy to find it would not be any fun.
Xin always appreciate and respect your comments hope you can find the time to explain what you meant about the crackles? Not wishing to dispute your comments however most of the very late 19th and early 20th century attempts at crackle ware I have seen seem to produce very large and randomly placed crackles that don't sit well on the item and act as more of an ugly intrusion. Thought that on my item the crackles are small and tight and are uniform and sit well on the dish.
Regards and cheers to all
Michael
Dear Birgit,
The amusing thing is even if my dish turned out to be early 18th century it would still need to be called revival. These type of cracklewares being based on the Song/Yuan or very early Ming which had real spur marks. As in Xin stated in the Qianlong period they were revived with false spur marks I would love to see an item from the original period and compare the painting to a Qianlong example. I doubt that will happen unless I stumble upon examples in a museum. Would be very happy if my dish turns out to be a latter still revival from the mid 19th century. Don't however think it is very late Qing and headed into the 20th century I have seen a few of these and the iron red is splashed around where it lands and the false spur marks are slapdash to say the least. And the crackles are very unattractive. Always looking forward to learning more.
Cheers and regards
Michael
Hello, Micheal
nice plate I like it, to me it way to hard to tell a age on theses by picture alone.
good luck to you John
Dear John,
Thank you, yes good photo's can make a huge difference to how things are perceived.
Cheers
Michael
Wrong thread
Dear Michael,
Sorry for late feedback. I was quite busy and lasy recently.
I said it should be a late Qing piece. Well, late Qing means after Qianlong period, namly from Jiaqing to Xuantong period.
This plate has still strong character of Qianlong plate. But the crackles are getting smaller and dirtier.
Let me give you an example of Qianlong plate, you can compare with yours:
PS Museums may give us a reference, but not always the most correct one. It's only a reference.
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Dear Xin,
Thank you. I can see the difference in the crackles, the variations in size and their color. My photo's make my dish seem darker and muddier than it really is. But the crackles do not have the difference in size.
Cheers and regards
Michael
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