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Hi,
This piece is one of a well-priced job lot (there's been a lot of interest though) of damaged items. There are some nice things to learn from, so I am just off to see it. What do you think of this plate? The fritting is quite Kangxi, but the porcelain doesn't appear terribly white. Thanks as always for your help.
I have seen some octagonal kangxi plates with famille verte decoration, but not with blue. I wonder if the decoration on the back could point to Qianlong, the Rob Michels below looks very similar on the back to yours.
A quick search found this: https://auctions.milleabros.com/lots/view/1-KEHNO/old-chinese-blue-and-white-lotus-plate
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Yes, it does, doesn't it, thank you! Initially I thought Qianlong because of the glaze, but the fritting made me wonder. I had also learnt on another site that the sprig decoration pointed to Qianlong but then a while back, on here, someone said it was ok for Kangxi.
Will see how it looks and feels.
If I remember correctly these patterns were made for the Islamic market. Could be around 1720 from the sprigs on the back, possibly a bit later.
Birgit
I agree, it has a distinct Persian/Islamic look to it. I have now been to see it and although damaged it is still interesting and beautiful. One of the staples is missing, it was the first time I have seen the holes where they put them: they are so neat and precise! I will bid on this lot and let you know how it goes, thanks to all for your help.
One more thing, talking about little drill holes, there was a 19th c Imari plate, slightly misshapen, rather charming, but it had two similar holes drilled all the way through, set wide apart to one side. What might that be for? They are to the left of the centre panel, near the edge, either side of the flowers.
Hi Julia -
I would concur with Birgit thoughts - probably made for the Islamic/Indian market, but this piece has a double opposing diagonal/hatch rim border, a which is a known Kangxi motif ...
Attach image of another similar octagonal plate, D. 24 cm and dated to Yongzheng.
Although damaged a nice example - good luck bidding at the auction ...!!?
Stuart
Thank you!
Sadly, I didn't get this lot. It was estimated at £40-£60 contained a rather nice 18th c bowl, a further 2 Qianlong plates, 19th c tea cups and saucers (might be Kangxi but I think not) a further Chinese bowl, some miniature vases a nice snuff bottle and that lovely plate - some damage to most of them.
I stopped bidding at £190, having to add on 25% was the main reason! It went for about £220.
Commiserations.... that pesky commission is wreaking havoc with my auction day too.
Nic
Hi Julia -
Chinese collectors would call this " Serendipity has not come yet"..... Next time ....
Stuart
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