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Topic starter 01/05/2025 12:23 pm  

Hi all,

I picked thos up at a thrift store yesterday. It has a 4 character kangxi mark carved into the bottom, i think the thickness is around 1mm or less, and it's pretty heavy but not brass cored. It weighs around 143g and is 3x1⅞" or so. 

Is it republic period?

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01/05/2025 6:41 pm  

Looks like resin


   
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Topic starter 01/05/2025 7:35 pm  

Bummer, oh well


   
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Posted by: @pbarski93
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Bummer, oh well

Did you try a hot needle test for resin? 

Mark 

 


   
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Topic starter 02/05/2025 9:11 am  

@imperialfinegems good point, I did not yet. I can later today and give an update


   
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Topic starter 02/05/2025 11:06 am  

@imperialfinegems it gave off little to no smell but the smell that did come out was a woodsy smell a bit, like sap and didn't melt the coating. It appears to be cinnabar.


   
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02/05/2025 11:50 am  

I remember Tam telling me to be cautious in wearing an old cinnabar pendant (it was legit from a Texas antique shop) and to keep it away from the skin as it contained mercury. Also, I remember Mark telling me to do the nail polish remover on a Q-tip test in an inconspicuous location, if it turns red, more likely cinnabar, if not, then resin. Regarding nineteen-eighties cinnabar vase, Tam cautioned me that a combination of resin and sap was used to make cinnabar pieces. Not that it mattered, because I bought the vase as a remembrance of Beijing (a tourist piece, although I did not buy it at the official Friendship store, just a shop located in the hotel and therefore it was official too).


   
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Topic starter 02/05/2025 12:35 pm  

@sharonp agreed it's better to handle safely than haphazardly. I'll give a shot with the qtip in a bit. Should it match the same color as the box coating is?


   
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02/05/2025 2:42 pm  

@pbarski93 hold off on the test, until Mark confirms it, he may have changed his mind on the whole thing now, as that was years ago.


   
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02/05/2025 4:52 pm  

@pbarski93 It might be made of wood and then thinly painted with lacquer.


   
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Topic starter 02/05/2025 5:57 pm  

@johnshoe that's how it appears, there's a chip to the side contact where the lids meet and exposed tan wood lies here. I thought maybe more so that the actual coating was resin


   
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02/05/2025 6:30 pm  

Yes you can use a Q tip and put it into nail polish remover solution and rub it over the piece. If the Q tip turns a reddish-brown colour then it is cinnabar. If no reaction it is resin. I forgot to mention this technique when I first posted. 

The piece does not look like cinnibar to my eyes based purely on the images ( the color and depth look not right) but as pointed out by our member @johnshoe it could be lacquer over wood.

Mark 


   
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Topic starter 02/05/2025 8:30 pm  

Came up yellow. As before, bummer. hah!

Thanks for the help with this one all! 


   
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03/05/2025 12:01 pm  

They coat wood boxes with resin to. Try cleaning it and give us better pictures. Here is a real box see the layers in the carving.

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03/05/2025 1:00 pm  

@lotusblack That's really helpful to see. Most everything on the market is imitation these days, it seems. They were cranking out the paste stuff in the 30s, weren't they?


   
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