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 Timothy Moffitt
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Topic starter 29/06/2023 5:20 pm  

 

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Got these recently. Lovely Chinese design with the lotus flowers and such but I have no idea where they come from. The design is Chinese quite definitely but they don’t appear to be hand painted (or atleast the patterns are all identical and from a stencil of some kind) and the style of manufacture seems more like ironstone or some other British product (but they have the triple dots in the glaze from where they were fired). Purchased in middle England but quite a wealthy area so I wonder if they might be export

My question is basically Was this ever a thing from Chinese production? I have two other similar smaller plates from a time ago again with the blue glazed back and Chinese ornate design but could never put my finger on exactly what they were. I think I remember Peter mentioning something like them in a video indicating that they were Chinese but I can’t find anything similar online.

All the best

Tim


   
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30/06/2023 1:20 am  

I think these were made in England. The foot looks to have glaze on it and those impressed marks aren't Chinese spur marks, they are the sort of thing one often sees on bases of English transferware.

If I am right, I would think there would be more examples. Have you tried an image search?


   
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I found this which is very similar and shows the kind of marks I mentioned on the base. 

https://www.etsy.com/listing/566182565/circa-1879-minton-cobalt-blue-dinner


   
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I agree these seem European. The Chinese have and do use printing technology but I've been under the impression that didn't start until sometime in the 20th c. Although I know that the Japanese started using transfer techniques much earlier, so I wonder if I have the wrong idea. Perhaps others will know.  

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03/07/2023 5:58 am  

I was referring to works on porcelain only. I know the Chinese did prints on paper much earlier. 


   
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03/07/2023 8:46 am  

From my understanding invention made in England around 1720-1750.

Adopted during the Edo period in Japan around 1820.

The Chinese didn't use said until the Republican period 1912-1949. This is based on cheap labour att.

Mark 


   
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03/07/2023 9:01 am  

Chinese transfer printing started in the 1930s as far as I know.

Birgit


   
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@julia I think this is the ticket. Definitely the same pattern but not Minton. I will see if i can find anything similar. Thank you!


   
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