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Hello, I am liking this plate a lot and thinking of buying, any opinions on age ? Thank you !
Kind regards
Michael
Hi Michael,
I also like your proposed purchase. I like the way the Phoenix is depicted.
Unfortunately I know very little about these atm as I am currently into republican period. The base looks a bit odd. Looks like it's been smeared.
Perhaps Stuart aka Ming1499 or others maybe able to offer some advice as to its authenticity.
Mark
I’m thinking Ming Swatow ware. Is it reasonably priced? I would check if seller has other authentic items for sale before buying this one.
George
Hi Michael ,
this plate doesn't look right to me. It is nicely drawn, but especially the back doesn't look like a typical Ming Swatow plate. compare:
On the other hand: why would someone copy a Swatow plate?
Just my thoughts 🤔
Chris
Hi Michael -
This certainly looks like, or is attempting to copy, a Ming Swatow dish c. 1600 drawn in the so called 'sketchy style' ...
Such wares are really not my area, but most of these pieces I've seen/handled usual have various amounts of dark kiln grit/gravel adhering to the outside/inside foot-rim edges and bases due to the way they were fired - this piece appears to show none?!🤔...
I would look at the collections within the Princesshof National Museum of Ceramics, Leeuwarden, the Netherlands, the Seikado Bunko Museum, Tokyo and the Museum of Oriental Ceramics, Osaka and also recovered cargo's from the shipwrecks of the San Diego, discovered in 1991 and Binh Thuan, discovered in 2001 for comparisons ...
George @gfhandel has also given you some very good advice re: checking the authenticity of other objects this dealer is offering ...
Stuart
Thank you Stuart, will check out the 3 museums now. The seller is a good one and describes the items well. This piece is repaired professionally, maybe some cheap repro will not get to be repaired.
As Birgit said, I get a Japanese vibe from the back of the plate.
Regards
Michael
As a few people mentioned:
Is it possibly Arita ware/Hizen-yaki from somewhere in the 17th C?
I'm horrible with blue and white even more than most pieces (which says something), but a quick web search would show more similarities to your piece and several "Kraak" style pieces - especially ones meant for export nearby (Vietnam, ect) rather than for the west specifically?
Imari inspired by Wanli wucai type designs and similar started gaining popularity in around the mid-1700s when the Dutch were essentially the only western nation allowed in Japan at the time, and they attempted to also monopolize on the Blue and White pieces from there as well (from my amateur understanding) exporting both locally and cross-ocean.
Came across a piece of a suspected similar timeframe myself that's on the way, and had to do a lot more digging into the trade routes of certain countries and their suppliers.
Initially also thought it was "Swatow" but now I'm firmly thinking it's Japanese as well.
Hard to distinguish sometimes isn't it?
Keep me updated what you find out, please! Would love to find out as well..
Best regards,
-JRN
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