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In November 2017 I won this vase (see below) at a Joanies House of Treasures auction on eBay. I paid $980 for it. I like the vase, but am now wondering how old it really is? The description provided by Joanies was as follows:
"Very fine 18/19th century Chinese Orange Coral Enamel Glaze Meiping vase - Up for auction is a rare Chinese porcelain meiping vase. This vase is from the important Chinese monochrome collection of Ambassador Joseph Reed. This collection was displayed for several years within the Waldorf Astoria residence hotel in New York. This vase is one of two similar examples being offered from the collection. This vase is a beautiful example done in a very unique and rarely seen orange coral enamel. The vase is superbly potted of white porcelain. I am told this vase would date from the Kangxi to Qianlong period. Not having seen another example like this I am selling the vase as 18th to 19th century. The vase is in fine condition with no chips, cracks, or repairs. The vase measures 9 inches tall, by 3-3/4 inches wide. I believe it may be some time before you see another unique example like this, mostly from such a well noted porcelain collection."
Does anyone think this is a Kangxi or Qianlong vase or have other thoughts about its period?
Dear Erroll,
The shape of your vase is well known during the middle to late Qing period generally. On the face of it, the seller's assessment that the vase may date from the 18th to 19th century might be correct. I think, though, that the thing we need to focus on is its base and foot ring. Can you describe what this is like to the touch?
A couple of aspects suggest to me that the late Qing rather than middle Qing is more likely, but I'd like to know more about the feel of the exposed paste of the foot ring when you run your finger around it.
Best wishes,
Alan
Dear Alan:
It is very nice of you to respond!
To answer your question, I would assign a scale where 1 is very smooth and 10 is a very rough feel. On this scale, when I run my finger around the foot ring and compare its smoothness to that of the enamel, I would say that whereas the enamel is perfectly smooth to the touch and would get a score of 1, the foot ring is actually rather smooth and would get a score of at most 3. It is actually fairly smooth to the touch. Does that help you at all?
I'm rather relieved to hear that you think that the vase is of the Qing period. I like it very much but would like it a lot more if it truly dated from the 18th century!
Kindest regards,
Errol
For some If I run my finger around the foot ring as you suggest and compare the feel of that to that of the enamel
In my opinion a 19th century date appears "ok" for your vase. Not a steal of a deal, but not a huge overpayment either. You should be able to turn it around if you need to. Typically, in my opinion when investing ($980 could be considered that) look for something that makes the next buyer (who you sell it to - now or 30 years from now) gotta have it.
Below is a vase we sold for $1100 about a year ago. It, in my opinion, could be better assigned to the 19th century. The shape and decoration are also stronger. Also, in my opinion, unless you get it in writing, with a signature and contact information, provenance is just a story - that's how another buyer or auction house may see it. Ask the seller to put the provenance writing for you. I would think that she should still be willing to do that.
It is what it is!
Thank you - your vase is rather lovely. I agree with you about provenance. Since the vase was apparently at one time in the possession of a United States ambassador and since the collection was once displayed apparently at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in NYC, one might think that documents proving provenance would be readily available. However, when I requested them I never got a response.
Dear Erroll,
Thanks for the further details on how the exposed ceramic paste feels to the touch. I appreciate that it's pretty hard to convey a physical sensation only by using words, but we're necessarily stuck with that. You've had a good go at it by your 1 to 10 scale.
On balance, I think your vase is likely to have been made in the nineteenth century, so at least on this occasion, the seller's description seems justified.
All the best,
Alan
Dear Alan:
Thanks so much! I'll take nineteenth century over contemporary any day!
Regards,
Errol
Dear Errol,
I am agree with the rest I think is 19th. Century and I think you´ve paid a fair price.
But I think is not a Meiping vase, it is a Liuyeping or Fengweizun vase (forms).
Regards,
Merce
Hi Errol,
The base tells it all - definitely late 19th Century, circa 1880 in my opinion. A very nice one and good quality too. I think you have paid a fair price and in a matter of few years it will double it's value, I am 100% sure about this, so in general brave and good investment.
All the best.
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