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Do you agree with Tim that my chair is a recent reproduction or do you think it could be older?
I didn’t say ‘recent’, whatever that means exactly. I said 20th c.
Most likely it’s a mid 20th c piece that’s gotten ‘touched up’ prior to export in the 1990’s-early 2000’s.
I have a friend m Boca Raton that runs a Chinese import shop. These pieces are often given official looking certificates claiming they’re antique… this has been going on since the 1970’s, but more so on the early 2000’s.
BTW…. 1stDibs and other high end decorative sellers are offering pairs in the neighborhood of $1500-2500… a lot more than I think they’ll necessarily get, but who really knows?
@greeno107 I have been looking very closely at this chair, and I don't think the wear on most of it is in any way fabricated - I think it's old and authentic wear. The amount of work that would have had to go into faking the wear would have had to be extraordinary. Trust me, the level of detail of the faking would need to be off the charts, and the time it would take, it would not be in anyway worth the effort, especially for an elm chair. And I would add, that if someone did put that much effort and was able to achieve what I am seeing with my eyes, they would be such a master that it would surely add value to the chair, not take it away, I would still be happy to have bought it. But I don't believe that is what happened. I still think it is simply an well built, well used, nice old chair with some restorations, and I'm actually pretty sure if you looked at it in person you would agree. The area that I do think is painted deliberately to look older than it is is the carved border around the bottom front, which appears to have been either repainted more recently or added later. I also think that the seat might be a later replacement. I must have misunderstood you, but I was under the the impression you felt this was made circa 1990 from your previous comments. At any rate, you say you feel it is probably a 20th C chair, but I am of the mind this is a 19th C chair at the latest, and due to the extensive wear that I think is authentic, might be even older than that. Admittedly I am ignorant about such items and could be deluded, but I think I'll spend $12 on it to see what Peter has to say, then I'll post an update. Stay tuned....
@johnshoe Take a look….
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5586031
These chairs are offered by Christie’s INTERIORS which is their decorative arts / decor department. Notice that there is no attribution to the age of the chairs (not an oversight).
Finally, the sale price is $500 which includes the 23% premium… not a stellar result.
No real harm on getting Peter’s opinion on the age, but regardless, the quality is consistent with the Christie’s pair I’ve just shown you.
@greeno107 There are some differences between my chair and the Christies examples you posted which could indicate differences in age and quality, I'm guessing with mine being a higher grade and older. Also, I notice the Christies pair sold nearly ten years ago, and Chinese chairs and tables have skyrocketed since then.
@greeno107 Thanks, me too. But I'm actually fine with it either way. I enjoy the learning process, and my cat has taken to the chair and I like it a lot, so it is a winner in my book whatever the historical aspect or potential value ends up being.
Update: I had Peter look at the chair and he feels it is a nice old common use Chinese elm chair probably made in the early 19th C. Our cat continues to enjoy sleeping in it. He's a Maine coon type, so in his lion-like way he appears quite regal in it. John
@johnshoe Nice old chair. I love provincial furniture. Not that I wouldn't take a piece of huanghuali. 🙂
Hi there. China based restorer here. Have bought, restored, sold many of these chairs over the years. Your chair is what's called a Nán guān mào yǐ(南官帽椅) or basically a "southern officials hat chair." Its from somewhere between eastern Shanxi and Shaanix province. Very clearly recognizable regional style. This is Jin style furniture (晋式家具) which means Shanxi furniture (Jin means Shanxi culture). You can learn more about Shanxi style ie Jin style here:
The top crest of the back looks like a replacement which is not an uncommon thing. And yes, yours are very similar to the ones in the Southeby's link you posted although yours are of a much more local regional "flavor."
I will attach an image of a similar one for you here.
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