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Hi All,
I came across this porcelain charger, considering purchase as asking price is reasonable of course if there is at least some age in it..?
With my knowledge, don't know - I really don't like that yellowish color spread everywhere..Very often I see something similar on today's Chinese repro.
But other bits as lack of a glaze on a top rim, foot rim maybe speaks about some age in it..Don't know - I am learning guys, learning hard.. 😊Â
What do think guys?
Diameter 28cm
P.S. sorry, this is all pictures which I got on hands.
Audrius
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Hi Audrius,
I know we shouldn't take much notice of the mark, but that one looks badly done which must mean it isn't from that period.
I don't think the painting style is correct either but I am sure someone else will know for sure.
Julia
@shinigami Thank you so much Birgit.
I had small hope that it can stretch to maybe early 20th century, maybe earlier etc.
I was not able to trace even similar example elsewhere..
Such details as lack of a glaze on a top rim, and firing crack, they "had" me - that there is some age in this charger.
As usually I meet differently looking modern fake's, never seen such re-pro.
Audrius
They do the fakes complete with cracks, chips and glaze faults. People often think, well it’s at least Republic, but things like that just weren’t produced in the 19th and early 20th century. Peter has made an interesting video on Republic porcelain where he shows which styles they copied  and which not.Â
Birgit
Hi Audrius -Â
Concur with Julia and Birgit, this piece is modern and made to decive ...
The painting style, motif combination, cobalt/glaze tone, shape, footrim/base and mark writing are all wrong ...Â
Birgit@shinigami is quite correct, the crack, glaze staining and dirtying of the footrim have all been added to give the impression of age ...
I would also add that I can not recall seeing an authentic Imperial Chenghua with a single asending phoenix amongst lotus design, only double phoenix, but will need to check my database ...
StuartÂ
Hi Audrius - for comparison:-Â
Attached images of two dishes, D. 20.8/18.4 cm and a bowl, D.20.8 cm, H. 9 cm, all Imperial Chenghua m/p wares, now held in the collection of the National Palace Museum, Taipei ...Â
Note the great differences in the characteristics of painting style, cobalt/glaze tones, footrim/base and mark written on these three pieces compared to the dish posted ...Â
The central twin phoenix motif design of mirrored pairs amongst lotus is inherited from, and a continuation of, that seen on Yongle-Xuande period wares. Authentic Chenghua pieces always have such double phoenixes, never single ...
This single phoenix/lotus design was seen on private kilns wares during the late 15th/very early 16th C and, although not a common design, a number of examples are known. But again, the painting style, cobalt/glaze tones and footrim/base are all very different to the example you posted ...Â
Stuart
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Thank you guys for your responses.
I think I did learned obvious and strong lesson today. That such or similar porcelain items as I did posted, that they never were copied trough out let's say 19th century or early 20th century. It's either late 20th century or completely newly baked.
Dear Stuart, thank you for pictures - imperial ware is imperial, there is even nothing to compare here 🙂 Maybe I had that small idea in my head that there is possibility for much lower grade porcelain which was made sometime later..
Audrius
@ming1449 Hi Stuart, accidentally yesterday I did stumped into this article, sorry in Chinese but google chrome does translation..It's not Chenghua period but design is very similar with single phoenix surrounded by lotus pattern.
http://former.cfbond.com/ysp/cz/201709/t20170907_5462921_1.html
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_535be0de0101f3an.html
Audrius
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I have seen these wares a lot lately there is a store in Scottsdale that is selling thousands of Ming period copies everyone has the same color cobalt blue as your dish. It’s like there is only this cobalt available right now.Â
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