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I picked up this celadon vase recently in a local charity shop, however I have no idea what age it might be or if it has any historical value? Any help appreciated.
8.5 inches high, 3,5 inches wide.
@julia Thanks Julia,
I agree this vase is likely 20th century, although could it possibly be from the Republic period?
I found this vase that has some design similarities, although also very different in other respects too-
https://www.lyonandturnbull.com/auction/lot/277-blue-and-white-celadon-ground-vase/?lot=187321&sd=1
There is a difference in the painting style. I think what concerns me about the one you have is the black on the foot and the orange line which I have seen on other pieces from the 1980s. Although, having said that, those tend to have an imprinted mark on the base, often quite hard to see.
Agree with Julia, it’s a modern vase. As so often they overdid it (what Giovanni calls gilding the lily). They could have left it at the landscape panel but they had to add the script panel and the strange ornament. Also the bottom looks new.
Birgit
@shinigami Thanks shinigami, how modern do you feel it is?
I reckon it's a mid 20th century piece at best. It is aesthetically problematic for a number of reasons. Very stiff-looking etc.
This might be a rather obscure reference, but I was rewatching a film called Out 1 the other day. It was made in 1971. Well, in one scene, I noticed a lamped vase of this type. The vase is also very stiff-looking and was probably a modern/second-hand piece at the time (1960s or '50s).
Hi Tony,
In my opinion your vase is from the 80's/90's. It's not republic. Nor is it early PROC for the reasons already posted.
You will note the calligraphy is in cobalt blue. Normally during the Republic period it was in black with red seal/read marks. From the 80's onwards some calligraphy appeared in blue. This is just a guide as nothing is set in concrete. There are always a few exceptions.
Mark
Also the 1980s were the time when China started to produce fakes and copies in large amounts. I have read there was very little export of porcelain between 1930 and 1980. Accordingly you find a lot of 1920s or 1980s things on the market. While the decades in between are rather rare.
Birgit
Thanks Mark, this is also my opinion too. To be honest the only reason I created this thread is because someone out of the blue wanted to buy it from me for a large sum of money, which doesn't make sense if they believed it was from the 1980s, so i thought I'd get a second opinion so to speak.
Hi Tony,
No problem. It's always best to seek out answers. Especially if you are getting a very good offer.
Personally speaking....... Sell!!!
And then put the money into something genuine. If you care to that is.
Mark
@imperialfinegems Thanks for your feedback, just went ahead and sold it for $500.
Can someone please confirm that this vase is definitely not older than 20th century? I keep finding examples that cast some doubt in my mind-
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23984/lot/2148/?category=list
Found this 18th century celadon example with blue calligraphy
Hi Tony,
Thank you for the additional images. This vase you own must be doing your head in!
If you carefully compare the quality of yours to theirs the striking differences should be seen. Yours is nice but it's lacking in the fiber details. Also the base looks modern.
If nobody else comes forward and you are still mystified may I suggest contacting Peter via his ID program that cost only a very small sum. It's a small sum to ease your mind.
I still believe yours is a copy. Obviously the buyer thinks otherwise. But that, my friend, especially if he is Chinese is not unusual. I often see them paying stupid prices for fake porcelain. Unfortunately they don't pay those silly prices when I offer them things. Quite the opposite actually!
Regards,
Mark
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