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Find me an example of boys feeding quail - this is a mix of themes that does not make sense to me.
Musical instruments & fireworks are the correct themes for boys.
In fairness, I don’t want to dwell in the technical components of line color and facial features - that’s something that I have not invested much study.
However, looking side by side the boys from Thomas’ brush pot and the Christie’s Republic example… the difference in the detail of the clothing and overall look it distinct - they are not if the same quality not the same period.
All the differences and styles compiled into one piece, with the incorrect form of mark does not inspired confidence in authenticity.
BUT, I’m open to learning if examples exist that combine all of these features like this brush pot - so far, I don’t see similarity with the examples cited.
Let me add…
I don’t read Chinese, so I’m no expert on calligraphy. However, just look at the difference in the quality of the character strokes between Thomas’ piece and the hex brush pot he cited from Christie’s …
Christie’s example has controlled dark black strokes. Thomas’ has looser strokes, with strokes slightly slanting and thinning in line thickness.
We’re talking subtle details, but important nonetheless.
Others have stated detailed reasons why this is possibly modern. I will just add that when I take the whole piece into a big picture view, it looks new to me. I would be very surprised if you find out otherwise, but let us know once you hear from the auctioneers.
Here are side my side photos of the boys from subject piece andChristie’s example….
That side is far more nicely done than the other.
I am not sure it is a real republic piece but if it is a copy, I feel it is copying a Republic interpretation of an 18th c style. Confusing!
Glad you find that head wear strange, too, Birgit. I feel it needs a reason or an explanation, at the moment I am left feeling it is from a more modern era.
So I have a piece that was argued I though it was republic most thought modern. When I had my meeting with Sotheby’s they told me my piece was 1950 plus a few years. They told me that during that period earlier republic pieces were copied as tribute. The issue with this is the tribute is Qianlong. So this theory is problematic. Now I believe I seen this grain feature on a wall hanging that sold for like $400000 do you guys remember that?
It would appear that I stand in the minority of thought here along with Brian. 💭🙏
The quality of Thomas's bitong is OK. Not great but OK.
The copies coming out of China are well........supberb! The calligraphy is done with stunning precision. As is the main artwork!
I have tried to find a comparable one with no success. I don't recall seeing one with a boy feeding and or interacting with a quail before. But that doesn't mean that they don't or did not exist in the Republic period.
If this example was say with perfect calligraphy with highly mastered paint strokes then I would have definitely questioned its authenticity.
Here is one sold at RM Auctions in 2018 and listed as 19th/20th century. Please note the calligraphy styling, colour and other. Also note the similar coloured base with a hand written seal mark.
It sold for €2800.
Thomas,
You should get a response back from W&W reasonable quickly. They are one of the top auction houses with a good team of experts on board. If for whatever reason they don't respond, you could run it past Peter's ID program that cost minimal amount of money.
Regards,
Mark
Also note the similar coloured base with a hand written seal mark.
The 4 character mark vs. your 6 character mark is correct for a Republic or Qianlong piece of this type.
Mark is correct that an expert eye will help to confirm as I noted in my first post that these are tricky types that can be quite valuable, so no point in taking any one person’s opinion as fact.
But, one more thing I noticed about the calligraphy…
The Qianlong pieces use a more formal (official?)script , and the Christie’s Republic Qianlong copy mimics that.
Mark’s example uses running script (cursive?) but is also correct for this Republic faux pudding stone/faux bois brush pot.
However, Thomas’ pot seems to mimic the more formal official script, but drifts into the informal.
Just an observation… I promise that I’ll happily eat my words if it turns out to be the real deal.
It’s very nice looking and I’d be tempted to buy at the right price regardless of age!
This is the piece with that porcelain wood grain feature
@imperialfinegems Thanks again everyone, Mark, there is some age to the bottom, on the picture below, if you look closely at the right side around the edge you can see the ageing of the enamels, where it has fine cracks and discolouring.. Thanks Julia for finding the other examples of the children..
@lotusblack Thanks Brian, that's very interesting.. The script looks quite different, and interesting to see the faux bois effect. This is all very confusing...
This little brush pot has tons of information, I will try to explain it. There are 2 poems on it, one is by 18th Tang Emperor Lichen, poem name is "Diao Bai Juyi （Moaning Bai Juyi). I couldn't find English version here is the translation (roughly) : Who taught you to be a poetry fairy for sixty years after embellishing jade and connecting beads. Floating cloud is not a name for life, but good fortune and inaction. The boys interpret the song of Chang hen ge (by Bai Juyi) , and Hu'er (Barbarians) can sing the pipa chapter (by Bai JuYi). The article was full of pedestrians' ears, and for a time thought of you was stunned.
The another poem is River Village by Du Fu (also Tang period）
https://poets.org/poem/river-village?mc_cid=df09b27663&mc_eid=00b5d43cfb
The calligraphy Tim mentioned from Christies is Lishu （The Clerical script), the Thomas one is Kaishu (Regular script). The Mark one is Xingshu (semi-cursive script).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_script
The two seal scripts are "Qian" "Long", you all know what that means.
Simply from the point of view of calligraphy, this brush pot is not Qianlong Imperial which the bottom mark is implied. IMO.
Here is the Emperor Lichen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Xuanzong_of_Tang_(9th_century)
Hope it helps.
Yin
@yinchris I think the question raised is if it is a Republic copy.
I don’t think Thomas made a claim to it being Qianlong.
@lotusblack It’s quite. Out if focus to make a full assessment, but the handles look Republic while the faux bois base looks modern.
I’ve been looking at your pot closer I was wondering if I could get a closer picture of this edge. I’m curious as edging doesn’t look to be porcelain another thing is it also looks unfinished.
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