The Chinese and Asian Art Forum. For Fans, Collectors and Dealers.
Basic Rules For the BidAmount Asian Art Forum: Talk about whatever you want. You can even discuss and offer things that are for sale if they are authentic. Maximum image file size per post is 2 MB. Images of 700pxl x 700pxl are optimal if saved at a medium resolution. Be respectful of others and enjoy yourself. Click the YouTube link for a brief tutorial on using the forum. You can also EMBED Videos by cutting and pasting from You-Tube, Vimeo etc.
NOTE: To post an item or add a new post, click open the category title from the FORUM LIST, and CLICK the Blue ADD TOPIC button.
Find me an example of boys feeding quail - this is a mix of themes that does not make sense to me.
Musical instruments & fireworks are the correct themes for boys.
In fairness, I don’t want to dwell in the technical components of line color and facial features - that’s something that I have not invested much study.
However, looking side by side the boys from Thomas’ brush pot and the Christie’s Republic example… the difference in the detail of the clothing and overall look it distinct - they are not if the same quality not the same period.
All the differences and styles compiled into one piece, with the incorrect form of mark does not inspired confidence in authenticity.
BUT, I’m open to learning if examples exist that combine all of these features like this brush pot - so far, I don’t see similarity with the examples cited.
Let me add…
I don’t read Chinese, so I’m no expert on calligraphy. However, just look at the difference in the quality of the character strokes between Thomas’ piece and the hex brush pot he cited from Christie’s …
Christie’s example has controlled dark black strokes. Thomas’ has looser strokes, with strokes slightly slanting and thinning in line thickness.
We’re talking subtle details, but important nonetheless.
Others have stated detailed reasons why this is possibly modern. I will just add that when I take the whole piece into a big picture view, it looks new to me. I would be very surprised if you find out otherwise, but let us know once you hear from the auctioneers.
Here are side my side photos of the boys from subject piece andChristie’s example….
That side is far more nicely done than the other.
I am not sure it is a real republic piece but if it is a copy, I feel it is copying a Republic interpretation of an 18th c style. Confusing!
Glad you find that head wear strange, too, Birgit. I feel it needs a reason or an explanation, at the moment I am left feeling it is from a more modern era.
So I have a piece that was argued I though it was republic most thought modern. When I had my meeting with Sotheby’s they told me my piece was 1950 plus a few years. They told me that during that period earlier republic pieces were copied as tribute. The issue with this is the tribute is Qianlong. So this theory is problematic. Now I believe I seen this grain feature on a wall hanging that sold for like $400000 do you guys remember that?
It would appear that I stand in the minority of thought here along with Brian. 💭🙏
The quality of Thomas's bitong is OK. Not great but OK.
The copies coming out of China are well........supberb! The calligraphy is done with stunning precision. As is the main artwork!
I have tried to find a comparable one with no success. I don't recall seeing one with a boy feeding and or interacting with a quail before. But that doesn't mean that they don't or did not exist in the Republic period.
If this example was say with perfect calligraphy with highly mastered paint strokes then I would have definitely questioned its authenticity.
Here is one sold at RM Auctions in 2018 and listed as 19th/20th century. Please note the calligraphy styling, colour and other. Also note the similar coloured base with a hand written seal mark.
It sold for €2800.
Thomas,
You should get a response back from W&W reasonable quickly. They are one of the top auction houses with a good team of experts on board. If for whatever reason they don't respond, you could run it past Peter's ID program that cost minimal amount of money.
Regards,
Mark
Also note the similar coloured base with a hand written seal mark.
The 4 character mark vs. your 6 character mark is correct for a Republic or Qianlong piece of this type.
Mark is correct that an expert eye will help to confirm as I noted in my first post that these are tricky types that can be quite valuable, so no point in taking any one person’s opinion as fact.
But, one more thing I noticed about the calligraphy…
The Qianlong pieces use a more formal (official?)script , and the Christie’s Republic Qianlong copy mimics that.
Mark’s example uses running script (cursive?) but is also correct for this Republic faux pudding stone/faux bois brush pot.
However, Thomas’ pot seems to mimic the more formal official script, but drifts into the informal.
Just an observation… I promise that I’ll happily eat my words if it turns out to be the real deal.
It’s very nice looking and I’d be tempted to buy at the right price regardless of age!
This is the piece with that porcelain wood grain feature
@imperialfinegems Thanks again everyone, Mark, there is some age to the bottom, on the picture below, if you look closely at the right side around the edge you can see the ageing of the enamels, where it has fine cracks and discolouring.. Thanks Julia for finding the other examples of the children..
@lotusblack Thanks Brian, that's very interesting.. The script looks quite different, and interesting to see the faux bois effect. This is all very confusing...
This little brush pot has tons of information, I will try to explain it. There are 2 poems on it, one is by 18th Tang Emperor Lichen, poem name is "Diao Bai Juyi （Moaning Bai Juyi). I couldn't find English version here is the translation (roughly) : Who taught you to be a poetry fairy for sixty years after embellishing jade and connecting beads. Floating cloud is not a name for life, but good fortune and inaction. The boys interpret the song of Chang hen ge (by Bai Juyi) , and Hu'er (Barbarians) can sing the pipa chapter (by Bai JuYi). The article was full of pedestrians' ears, and for a time thought of you was stunned.
The another poem is River Village by Du Fu (also Tang period）
https://poets.org/poem/river-village?mc_cid=df09b27663&mc_eid=00b5d43cfb
The calligraphy Tim mentioned from Christies is Lishu （The Clerical script), the Thomas one is Kaishu (Regular script). The Mark one is Xingshu (semi-cursive script).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_script
The two seal scripts are "Qian" "Long", you all know what that means.
Simply from the point of view of calligraphy, this brush pot is not Qianlong Imperial which the bottom mark is implied. IMO.
Here is the Emperor Lichen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Xuanzong_of_Tang_(9th_century)
Hope it helps.
Yin
@yinchris I think the question raised is if it is a Republic copy.
I don’t think Thomas made a claim to it being Qianlong.
@lotusblack It’s quite. Out if focus to make a full assessment, but the handles look Republic while the faux bois base looks modern.
I’ve been looking at your pot closer I was wondering if I could get a closer picture of this edge. I’m curious as edging doesn’t look to be porcelain another thing is it also looks unfinished.
Latest Post: square bowl & lid with peach on top not sure what it is . Our newest member: James Close Recent Posts Unread Posts
Thanks for visiting "The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art"
If you sell on eBay, or have a shop feel free to post images and descriptions and links.
Check back often for discussion about the latest news in the Chinese art and antique world. Also find out about the latest Asian art auctions at Sotheby's, Christie's, Bonhams and Tajans.
Auction results for: fine porcelain, ceramics, bronze, jade, textiles and scholar's objects. As well as Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and other Asian cultures.
Thank you,
Peter Combs
Topics and categories on The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
Kangxi vases, Kangxi dishes and chargers, Kangxi ritual pieces, Kangxi scholar's objects, Qianlong famille rose, Qianlong enamels, Qianlong period paintings, Qianlong Emporer's court, Fine porcelain of the Yongzheng period. Chinese imperial art, Ming porcelain including Jiajing, Wanli, Xuande, Chenghua as well as Ming jades and bronzes.
Join the BidAmount Chinese and Asian art discussion board and forum today
The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
A free Asian art discussion board and Asian art message board for dealers and collectors of art and antiques from China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and the rest of Asia. Linked to all of the BidAmount Asian art reference areas, with videos from plcombs Asian Art and Bidamount on YouTube. Sign up also for the weekly BidAmount newsletter and catalogs of active eBay listing of Chinese porcelain, bronze, jades, robes, and paintings.
The art of calligraphy - and for the ancient Chinese it certainly was an art - aimed to demonstrate superior control and skill using brush and ink. Calligraphy established itself as one of the major Chinese art forms during the Han dynasty (206 BCE - 220 CE), and for two millennia after, all educated men were expected to be proficient at it.
The Museum’s collections of Asian art span nearly five millennia and encompass the cultures of China, the Himalayas, India, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia. In 2007, the Museum launched an initiative to create dedicated galleries for the collection, beginning with a gallery for the arts of Korea ...
Chinese art is full of symbolism, in that artists typically seek to depict some aspect of a totality of which they are intuitively aware.
China Online Museum is the finest online museum of Chinese art. It features Chinese calligraphy, painting, ceramics, bronzes, carving, and other artworks.
Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art. Overview Upcoming auctions Contacts Auction results ... Christie’s sales of Chinese ceramics and works of art showcase centuries of Chinese history. Held throughout the year in London, New York, Paris and Hong Kong, they attract a wide audience of collectors and connoisseurs vying for pieces as diverse as ...
Explore Asian Art Week. Contact the Specialist Department. Chinese Paintings ... Senior Specialist, Head of Sale. [email protected]. Tel:+1 212 641 5760. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 September 2019 at New York. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 ...
Discover an abundance of must-see art from all corners of a vast continent at Christie’s NY Asian Art Week. From contemporary classical and Chinese paintings to works with exemplary provenance from the Art Institute of Chicago, our Rockefeller Paza galleries will be full of ancient treasures and contemporary masterworks in a salute to the vibrant arts of Asia.
Sold to benefit The Art Institute of Chicago’s Asian Art Acquisition Fund, the sale features 84 lots with a focus on Ming and Qing porcelains, and offers a rare insight into the taste for collecting Chinese ceramics and works of art in the Midwest from the end of the 19th century through the 1980s. Highlights include two Wanli wucai garlic-head vases, a Qianlong mark and period, blue and ...
Specialist, Chinese Paintings, Christie's London Dr Malcolm McNeill is a Specialist in Chinese Paintings at Christie’s, based in London. He previously worked as an assistant curator of the Chinese collections and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, as a researcher at the British Museum, and as a translator and tour guide at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.
The Christie's Education 2020 Conference: The Chinese Art Market 18 Jun 2019 Christie’s Education is delighted to announce our first international academic conference in Asia which will take place in Hong Kong from 26-27 November 2020 at the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and will run in parallel with Christie’s Hong Kong Autumn Auctions.
The summer Chinese Art sale in Hong Kong will feature works of art from several private collections, including Qing porcelains and textile from the collection of the legendary Chinese art dealer A. W. Bahr (1877–1959), fine gilt bronze Buddhist sculptures from an old Hong Kong collection, an East Asian collection of Qing dynasty wine cups and jades, and a Japanese collection of Song ceramics ...
Sotheby's Chinese Works of Art Department holds two auctions each year in London, New York, Hong Kong and Paris.
Chinese Art - View Auction details, bid, buy and collect the various artworks at Sothebys Art Auction House.
With more than 340 Chinese works of art dating from the Neolithic to the Republic periods, highlights of this sale include a selection of Qing Imperial monochromes from the collection of Arnold and Blema Steinberg, early ceramics from the Art Institute of Chicago and Chinese porcelain and works of art from the collection of Henry Arnhold.
Results: Sotheby's Asia Week achieved $52.4 million in six strong auctions, exceeding pre-sale estimates. With 76.5% of lots sold and 60.3% of lots surpassing high estimates, the Asian art sales at Sotheby's indicate continued collector interest in the finest works of art from China, India and and the Himalayas.
Today's sale of Important Chinese Art will proceed as planned with sessions at 10 AM and 2 PM EDT. Sotheby's will be monitoring the weather conditions throughout the day and will be available to coordinate alternative bidding options should conditions make it difficult for clients to attend the auction in person.
Bonhams Chinese Art department is renowned for offering the finest works of art representing the richness and breadth of China's artistic heritage, particularly Imperial porcelain, white and spinach green jades, cloisonné and Buddhist art. Specialised international auctions are held globally, including London, Hong Kong and San Francisco.
Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Chinese Art (US) General enquiries
Bonhams : Fine Chinese Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars Bonhams : Asian Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site.
Bonhams are international auctioneers of fine Chinese and Japanese art. We specialise in rare Imperial and Export Chinese ceramics and works of art, as well as Japanese ceramics, fine and decorative works of art from the Neolithic Period to the 20th century. View on map
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Asian Art Bonhams. Work. 22 Queen St.