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Hey Guys,
I would like your thoughts and input on this incense burner that I bought few years ago in an auction house. It was in a terrible state.
I had it restored, cleaned and fixed (maybe too much I admit). They described it as Fangding shape. Decheng workshop. Qing Dynasty.
Can anyone share more knowledge about it and possibly the reign time? I looked for De Cheng/Decheng and I could not find much, does anyone know?
Thank you
In my opinion, it is a cloisonne censer from the second half of the 20th century.
aww dear! I hope not 🙁 let's see what other have to say
What make you say that? the style or the inside? (as I said it has been cleaned by a bronzer hence why it looks like knewish and I regret that) I found this cloisonne censer which is a bit similar.
for some reason I could not edit my post
Hello,
Can you post more closer pictures, please? Specially the cloisonne of course and the finale as well.
Best regards,
Adrian
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Sure Adrian, I am not sure I understand what you mean by the finale but just let me know what pictures you want me to add and I will.
In regards to the following 3 pictures I initially did not want to post them because I thought that it might skew your judgement. The reason behing this is when I bought the censer I took it to a bronzer who repaired it and cleaned it therefore it has lost its old patina. But of course I want to know if it is a Qing or 20 Century censer. so please find the interior cleaned which looks very modern, I regret to have cleaned it.
Thank you
Hello again,
Thank you for more pictures. Finale, that's the karashishi lion on the top.
Well, it looks quite modern, late 20th C I think. Let's see what others have to say.
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Adrian
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So many photos thx , but most are shadowy or strangely lit, or taken from odd angles, so it makes it harder to evaluate.
I notice that the big auction houses sometimes do not name the metal , they just say a 'cloisonne fangding incense burner' , and I wonder whether this is not bronze but gilt copper, or a copper alloy which is not bronze, which may be why there is little patination.?. Not sure in any case whether that helps with the dating or identification.
The impressed workshop mark should help, but I don't know whether decheng is the correct reading and as you say nothing comes up in a search for 'decheng cloisonne'.
Just comparing the cloisonne work with those sold by Sothebys etc, this one looks less refined , so I would guess it it somewhere in the C20th but not sure.
tam
In my opinion the quality of casting is average to poor suggesting that this is a 20th century product.
Mark
Hey Tam, Sorry about the pictures I tried my best but for some reason there did not upload straight.
In regards to the bronze I am 100% it is bronze since I took it to the bronzer and he confirmed it was.
Can you read Chinese? I cannot help in that regards lol but I looked up again decheng cloisonne and found few intersting things.
I think the mark I have is the same as that this one 德成 which reads decheng according to a guy in an other forum.
I found this text explaining the decheng:
During the last quarter of the nineteenth century, marks began to identify names of manufactories. The name Decheng is stamped into the metal base of a vase from the George Walter Vincent Smith Art Museum and the same name appears on a paper label glued onto the back of either a disk or a circular plaque in the collection of the Phoenix Art Museum. This label, written in Chinese and French and possibly made for an international exposition in Paris in either 1889 or 1900s, gives the address of the Decheng Manufactory [Chinese characters] and warns against imitations: “The only true manufactory, Teuo-Tcheng, is located in Beijing outside the Tsien-men gate near the middle of the Yan-mei-tchou-sie-kiai [note similarity to the flyer’s “Yang Mei Chu Hsieh Chieh, Peking” address] road (north side).” This suggests considerable concern about quality and forgeries and was meant to authenticate the object’s origin
So it might be late 19/ beginning 20th but let's wait for other maybe @clayandbrush or @xin_fawis can help
Sorry for the length of the text
Hi Siseno,
I don't know if it helps, and maybe you also came across these sites, but...
here is an incense burner with the same mark, and according to the site it's late 19th century.
on ebay there's a de chang vase. Late Qing/Republic period, according to the seller.
And on this site they refer to De Cheng/Teh Chang in relation to exhibitions in the early 1900s.
Kind regards,
Marote
Hey Marote, thank you for your links I have seen few of these but not all. I believe I know now what it is. It is most likely late Qing/Early Republic. I brought it when I started to collect Asian art so didn't understand much about quality. I loved the colors, shape and Taoist eyes so went for it and I still do 🙂
The most important thing is that you love it. I don't know how old this is, I would also go sometime in 20th c but probably before 1970/80 unless this is a deliberate fake.
Usually, there is something about older pieces that you makes one suspect age, even from the distance these photos give. I found a similar design on one sold by Christies and looking at that, along with the RM one you posted, I think part of that old appearance is down to better spacing and a lighter touch to the design elements. For example, this one looks to have exaggerated eyes, the cloisons appear heavier and the paler blue background is more unusual. Both of the others are also patterned underneath and don't have those rather flamboyant legs.
To me, novice that I am, this seems a rather heavy-handed, "larger than life" version and gives the impression it is a copy rather than a creation born of inspiration - if that makes sense?
Do you remember if there were any little dings or bends or any damage to the bronze around the edges? The bronze does look rather coppery or gilded, but maybe that is the light.
Julia
De Cheng was a workshop from late Qing and early Republic period. Most of their products were for export. This one is from this workshop.
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