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Stumbled upon this blue and white charger (approx. 33cm in diameter), but unsure if it is even chinese (maybe early european imitating chinese imports?). The "porcelain" looks wrong, but I guess it could be age. There is also the faint outlines of a cross on the back (from production, or perhaps remnants of previous mounting?), and there is a small hole, that looks like it was made during production.
If it isn't clear from my post, I haven't the foggiest what this is or isn't. Anyone got a clue?
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Will be interesting to hear from the experts as to what this is. I’ll take my amateur swing at it....The porcelain doesn’t look quite right, as you say. The figures in the design look Chinese to me, but many of the designs looks Japanese. The shape of the bowl also seems off. And the hole in the back that is original...that is weird. I could be completely wrong and probably am...but my guess is European. Dutch? Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Odd looking item. I would say not Chinese nor is it Japanese.
Most likely European to my eyes, but I am by no means an expert on porcelain so I may be wrong. The porcelain white seems very opaque and the figures slightly comical. No idea what the hole is or why it is there.
One for Xin/Alan + other esteemed members.
Mark
I agree the banners among the clouds look very Japanese , as do the way the faces are done , although the robes look chinese (and that hat with the strange flap could be chinese?). The plate looks to have plenty of age , and I also agree the porcelain itself , and the shape , don't look Chinese, so I would guess this is C18th Japanese, copying a chinese scene.
Normally you might expect to see spur marks on the base of large Japanese items , from kiln furniture/stands, but I suppose that hole could be something to do with how it was fired, on a hook (?) - I don't know .
tam
You could be right Tam with respect to the banners. Can't works out what the figures are doing. The old lade on the far left is staring at another holding flowers who both are staring at a seated man with a scroll before him. He is holding something but us looking in the opposite direction.
Bizarre scenery.
Mark
Dear members,
Is this a basin rather than a charger? It looks quite deep to me from the picture taken of its reverse side.
My first impressions are that it is Chinese, and in a 'Kangxi revival' style, so I would estimate a nineteenth century date of production. That said, I should utter a word of caution in that I have not seen anything quite like it that I can recall.
However, basins, if it be one such, are commonly found with this shape, or shapes quite like it, during the nineteenth century.
Regards,
Alan
Oh this is annoying, it reminds me of something I have seen - or owned - but can't remember what or where!
It doesn't look like porcelain to me, is it some kind of glazed earthenware? The side looks very rough, as does the footrim. Are those frits a sign of tin-glazing? Also, the hole must be for hanging the bowl up. I agree with Alan, it is a dish or some kind rather than a charger.
What is the little grasshopper thing on the back?
Best wishes,
Julia
Oh this is annoying, it reminds me of something I have seen - or owned - but can't remember what or where!
It doesn't look like porcelain to me, is it some kind of glazed earthenware? The side looks very rough, as does the footrim. Are those frits a sign of tin-glazing? Also, the hole must be for hanging the bowl up. I agree with Alan, it is a dish or some kind rather than a charger.
What is the little grasshopper thing on the back?
Best wishes,
Julia
Hi Julia,
Unfortunately, it is not a piece I've seen in person, but yeah, it was one of the things I also noticed that it didn't really look like porcelain, but figured that maybe the foot was just rough. It might be earthenware. the stuff on the rim looks like friting, IMO.
The size just reminded me of a charger, but a shallow bassin or dish is probably more correct.
I remember reading somewhere that Chinese decorators were "imported" to some of the european pottery factories, so maybe this was decorated by one of them, because the decoration does look very oriental/Chinese.
The grasshopper is just a small sticker, as far as I can tell.
Thanks for all the input so far!
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Dear members,
On further reflection, I think Mark may well have a point.
Handling the item, were that possible, would confirm it one way or another. Is it porcelain at all, or not some lower fired ceramic covered with a tin glaze? The foot rim certainly looks strange for porcelain. And if that's the case, there is a likelihood we should be thinking more in terms of Europe, as Mark has suggested.
Regards,
Alan
I think Mark is on the money, concerning European/Dutch origin. I looked a bit into chinoiserie last night, and of course ended up on Rob Michiels auctions. There are many examples from their European ceramics auctions that have similar footrims, similar white glaze, etc., so it seems most likely that it is either Dutch or French, and probably 17th/18th century.
Thanks for all the help, I wouldn't have figured this out without the knowledgeable and dedicated people of this forum! 🙂
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