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I am hoping you all can help me date this blue Satsuma vase I recently acquired. I am finding various similar examples online that list them anywhere from early-mid 19th C to early 20th C. Also, I have not yet found another example that uses lotuses in the design as the main element, so I am wondering if that has significance? I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks! John
Hi Johnshoe,
It's an attractive looking vase but with the drill hole dramatically reduces the desirability of it given the current status of the Japanese market.
Based purely on your images it's my estimate that it's probably from the taisho period 1912-1926. Perhaps early Showa period 1926-1989. So 1930's perhaps.
Regards,
Hey John,
I think you made a handsome buy as the others said!
Hope it serves you well; great colouration I think.
As per your question on the floral inclusions..
there isn’t much significance in the sense of being made for a specific official/group, ect.
However, if it’s any encouragement: this style is (quite distinctly) found enameled on pieces of Kyo-yaki satsuma types made under the very regarded potter, Taizan Yohei IX.
The slightly raised bordering and gilt laden foliate has me feel this is very possible.
While the drilling unfortunately stops us from seeing if there were original central marks (if any, & likely being less typical than more common ones - [these have somewhat inconclusive variety of opinion] themselves) with my small screen I can’t tell if there are any subtle impressions on the bottom; but you may be able to since you (luckily!) acquired it.
This may help you find a relative time period/origin story, as his own production kiln is said to have closed in the final decade of the 19th century; yet he did also then work more limitedly going forward into the turn of the 20th with other blanks & producers (as did many others).
Sometimes you’ll even find Kinkozan marks or impressions, both, or neither (since he also worked with others who did not use as easily identifiable attributes).
Via examples priorly seen and visibly referenced, along with production characteristics of the enamels & footing: personally I would place your piece as later Meiji to possible early Taishō.
He died before Taishō’s reign ended a few years later, but to this day is regarded & collected as one of the more distinguished producers and artists of this this time period for Japan; along with Kyo-yaki/Satsuma in general.
Congrats on the find, looks great!
Best,
-JRN
@jrn Thanks for all the info! I just did a little searching and based on what has been said it looks like this is very possibly what you have suggested it could be. I don't think there are any subtle marks but I will look again closely. I find it to be very attractive but sadly my wife does not like it, so it looks like I might have to find a new home for it. She has already made me hide it in my office so she doesn't have to look at it. Usually we have very similar taste, but apparently not this time. 😔 Hey, maybe one of you would like to own it? Let me know if so and we can work a deal! Cheers! John
Hey @johnshoe
I appreciate the offer friend, but with preparing to relocate shortly after the new year I’m currently holding off on acquiring more things at this time; trying to downsize some of my earlier pieces myself, actually.
In offering advice on selling it, I’ll share this:
Due to it being a bit more of an esoteric item, and one without a “direct attribute” referenced (along with some damage), your best bet would be putting it in the eyes of the most collectors directly themselves; and usually they’re the ones who know their favourite artists enough to either 1) feel comfortable in their own knowledge/research buying a piece not sold directly attributed as, 2) not minding a bit of damage - and if they’re on a budget, likely not as caring about that fact due to the chance to own something that might normally be out of their range (especially this year causing many every day diehards to hold off from extra personal purchase).
(Currently) the platforms to do this on would be what the videos weekly feature for the time being: eBay and Catawiki.
Labeling it as simply a “Meiji Taishō Kyoto Satsuma Type” or such should get enough visibility, but leave enough to the judgment of the buyer (imo).
Catawiki tends to reach your ideal market best for auction (UK & Coastal EU) at the current time, where most of these collectors would be for auction; yet eBay may give you a quicker payment or more leeway on a set price if choosing to retail it.
Hope this helps!
Best,
-JRN
@jrn Thanks for the advice. I haven't done much selling yet so all help is appreciated. Do you have a feeling about what its value might be and if putting it up for a fixed price would yield results or if going the online auction route would be better? I guess I am asking if you were the one selling it what price would you set? And if you chose the auction would you put a reserve on it and if so how high of a reserve? Thanks again!
Hi John,
If it is okay to say this, perhaps you could run the photos you intend using past us first. I don't mean to be rude, just helpful, as that is going to be what buyers see and some of the ones on here wouldn't be doing you any favours. Make sure too that you get close up of all the damage.
I am not convinced this is a top quality piece, lovely though it is. The border around the top and bottom, indeed the mouth itself, are quite ordinary looking and typical of lesser quality kyoto satsuma pieces (I have sold some and still have some to sell, in a box somewhere) so make sure you put those little details in, too, as well as the more beautiful bits, so that people really can make up their own minds. I find phrases like "in the style of" to be useful expressions if you aren't sure but want people to consider the possibility.
I hope it is OK to say all that, it is just so important to build a good reputation when you are selling. You may not get what you think, something is worth, but having a happy buyer is well worth losing out on a few dollars when you are setting out.
Julia
@julia Much appreciated, Julia. When it comes to learning how to sell this stuff I need all the advice I can get, because I appear to be far more into the buying than the seller, much to my wife's dismay. I will be happy to run by the photos and even descriptions for your assessment as that would be a great help to get the well seasoned views of the forum before I blunder into things. And you will all be happy to know that I am looking into getting some nice lights and a camara to help me take better pictures. I'm sure that is music to your ears. Cheers!
Hi John,
Just one small tip I will add regarding the photos. (A tip I got from watching Peter’s videos). When you are taking a full shot of a vase, stand farther back and use the zoom feature. If the camera is too close, it distorts the shape and may cause a buyer to think twice because the shape may look wrong. Using the zoom fixes this problem. I think its more of an issue with mobile phones and the like, as opposed to a high quality camera.
And I think you already know that natural light is always best.
Good luck 🙂
Best, Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Hi John,
One thing that I have always noticed about you photos is that they appear soft or hazy. This is generally due to a dirty lens. You might gently clean your camera lens with a soft cloth.
Charles
@kirby13 It is because my lens is covered in scratches from being so old and beat up. Soon I will get a real camara.
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