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Hi all
Another recent purchase , just liked it so I bought it , I am trying to find out which period in time this plate was made , they used these type of marks for many years over many reigns I believe so I am looking to discuss where my plate sits?
Approx 17.5 cm's in diameter
Carl
Hi Carl,
to me it looks like a piece of rustic Kitchen Qing, possibly first half of 19th century.
Best regards
Shinigami
Birgit
Because you like it is the best reason to buy it.
I may be a bit of a neophyte but I would have a hard time not thinking this is a piece of provincial Ming. The blue grey tint, the slight beige colour of the paste, firing pops and a foot rim that is not quite perfect, although I think it should be a bit taller, also the cobalt decoration has he impression of not trying to be high art, but good enough for a work a day object.
Shinigami has it right - kitchen Qing ca 1850 common design widely found. This one a nice example.
George
Gezzzzzzz, once again what I thought I knew I don’t. Kitchen Qing it is.
Let me reawake this thread because I would like to show you what made me think Qing and not Ming. The difference is quite easy to see in the foot rim at least in the cheaper pieces that I have chosen to compare.
Ming foot rims look like the potter made the foot rim from a strip of porcelain and fixed it to the bottom. There's a right angle between rim and bottom. Also the foot rim looks crude and feels rough. Often there's grit attached to it. Here's an example of a Swatow bowl:
Qing foot rims are not stuck to the piece but seem to develop out of it. There's a smooth transition from foot rim to bottom. Here's an example of an inexpensive Kangxi export piece:
The nicest foot rims where made from Kangxi to Qianlong. After that the quality deteriorated a bit but there always was the smooth connection between foot rim and bottom. A Daoguang Canton export plate:
A cheap Guangxu example (Kangxi revival):
Birgit
Thanks Shini
That's very interesting , I can see the progression into the early Qing and then the regression into the 19th century .
Shinigami, thanks for the lesson, on reading I immediately rushed to my small collection of provincial Ming Bowles for comparison. Using the blended rather than pasted foot rim indicator one of my Ming’s just might be Qing.
The foot rim on this little bowle does project at a 90 degree but the transition has an ever so slight radius. Compared to m other confirmed Ming Bowles I can see what you are referring to.
Ron,
Another give away into Ming provincial plates/bowls in addition to kiln grit is often the pock marks and slight orange color on the rim and where the biscuit is exposed as on your’s and Shini’s examples.
George
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George (gfhandle), yes I look for that orangy brown tinge. I believe it’s a kiln reaction between the glaze and porcelain. Thanks for confirming, or in actuality reassuring me that I do have real Ming. My collection is not large can’t have it get any smaller.
Is that writing on the seal? The rightmost part looks like the hiragana for る or ろ, but its hard to make anything out.
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