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Hello All, I picked this piece up but I was hesitant because the later Meiji period pieces have a clear symbol underneath and instead this bowl has a blue apocryphal mark of "Da Ming Chenghua Nian Zhi" which I know is not true. I'll show shots of the foot rim and there is one typical Japanese furniture firing mark that tells me it is not Chinese. It is ~12 inches by ~5 inches and has a stepped shape (not perfectly round to the top). It has blue rings around the outer and inner foot rim (which I thought unusual). Some of the characters are a bit faded. The foot rim in nicely trimmed and the paste is showing as a off beige or light beige. Looking at it under a loop, small black particles are present. The gold is holding with some wear. The color pallet is underglaze blue and overglaze green, red, black and gold. The marks are showing thick and thin via application as an underglaze blue, indicating to me that they are hand drawn. Anyway, all the others I have seen, look very similar but have more colors and have a different mark on the base.
Let me know what you all think! Thanks much!
Richard
Hi Richard,
Yes, it seems to be hand-decorated. In comparing it with an example I have (that Peter appraised as early 19th century), some of the details are different. I'll include some photos although taken outside and are consequently a little bluish.
Is the color as seen in these photos accurate? They seem a bit saturated; maybe it's the camera setting.
My guess is that it's authentic although I don't know when. But I'm not an expert so it's best to let others chime in.
Warm regards,
Steve
In my opinion it's later Meji period 1868-1912... So around 1890-1900.
Mark
@steve Hello Steve, thanks, the mark you show on the base is what I have seen on all the others. Peter knows what he is doing so I would accept his dating as well. The colors, it could be my camera. They are sort of running and sit on top of the underglaze blue as well. Cheers, Richard
Has anyone ever used a UV lamp on the base and the glaze of the earlier pieces from Japan versus the later pieces? I have found that the earlier pieces have a different response to UV light than the pieces from the late 1890s to early 1900s. The earlier pieces are more 'plum' color versus the modern pieces don't show much reaction. Also, the earlier pieces the paste is whiter and not the pasty beige color of earlier pieces. But if anyone has images under UV of the pieces and pieces that are estimated to be the time period?
@steve Steve the paste on your piece looks whiter or more like a cleaner porcelain biscuit that does mine. Have you exposed it to a UV lamp? It should show some coloration in the paste as well as the glaze. I use my two different lamp UV settings to help categorize English porcelains. Works like a charm! Cheers, Richard
@Richard, Hi, just asking.
Do you mean that shinning a UV torch lich ligh to the glaze or the biscuit of Japanese or English ware you can see by if they are old or new? That is interesting!
Does it works with Chinese ware too?
Fred
Hello Fred, it does seem to work. I have not seen any real articles on it as of yet but I always carry the two UV lights with me when I'm out hunting. It works really well on precious stones too. I have seen some differences between early Japanese and late Japanese porcelains. The Japanese began incorporating bone ash in their mixes after 1860s and some say some kilns never used it until the 1920s. All porcelain with bone ash fluoresces to the purplish hues because of the concentration of the bone ash in the biscuit. The higher the bone ash, the more prominent the result. I don't believe the Chinese ever used bone ash, but maybe. Peter would know.
As a side note, it also works on clear glass if you suspect it is old, sometimes the glass will show a greenish or greenish yellowish tinge. That's because of the use of uranium oxide to add weight to the pieces to compete with the European leaded glass...But yet they are clear. the Americans used it. That stopped around the 1940s, giving you some idea as to the time period of the glass that's lighting up.
Cheers!
Richard
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