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Hi Everyone,
Hope you are doing well!
I wanted to get your opinions on the very first piece of Chinese antique porcelain that I ever bought, which was a few years ago in an Chinese antique store near Union Square in San Francisco. I probably paid too much for it but I have a weakness for bats. The merchant said that the mark on the bottom was the imperial mark of the Xianfeng Emperor.
It's 5 ¼" across and I am assuming was made to be a tea saucer, although I've never seen a teacup that would match it. The bats and decoration on the front and back seem to be hand painted but the mark seems like it's stamped.
Did I get an authentic piece? What do you think it's worth? And is the symbol on the front about prosperity?
Warm regards,
Steve
Does not look stamped on my screen and does not look like a saucer, nice chrysanthemum form small dish, I like the red, looks like orange peel surface on bottom of the plate or maybe that is reflection?
Hi Steve,
In my opinion the seal mark is hand painted and not stamped.
I believe the symbol represents good fortune. The five bat's is a design that represents the five lucky gods and blessings. They are long life, wealth, health, virtue and a peaceful death.
Mark
Steve,
Then the seller told you wrong, the mark is Yongzheng, however the plate is possibly late 19th century. The symbols are all associated with longevity being stylized "Shou" characters and bats, symbols of long life.
Was the antique shop near the Grant Avenue Chinatown gate?
George
Hi Mark,
And who wouldn't like that!
As a bat fancier, I love the use of bats in Chinese iconography.
What a lovely dish! I like bats too, I bought a rickety old chinese chair just because I loved the bat carved on it.
I suspect this piece is mid (to late, maybe?) 19th c. Partly because of the hand-painted seal and partly the shape and colour choices.
The way the bats are done on the outer sides is very distinctive. I have seen it before but can't remember when, where or the age of the piece. If you could find bats drawn in that style on something else, it may help you date it.
Julia
P.s. is there any grit around the footrim?
I hate to be the fly that landed in the soup, but that looks like a stamped mark to me. Look at how the strokes have a dark edge on the left side and a spongy lighter right side. That's from the angle the stamp is lifted after being pressed down.
The looseness of the mark that kind of makes it look hand written is perhaps due to the seal beng hand carved.
@greeno107 Thanks for pointing out that nuance. I can totally see what you mean and how this would be a stamp. I will be looking out for that in the future. Cheers! John
@johnshoe I can't see it as a stamp but from what I understand some pieces from nineteenth-republic were stamped and it would not matter to the legitimacy of the piece, i.e. not an indication of age or lack thereof. I certainly would have purchased as an example of orange peel, especially if it was a bargain price, plus the handpainted border and design.
Hi Julia,
I've seen other items with bats on them of course but never trimmed with hanging bats like that. They went all in on the bats, didn't they?
There is a little grit on the foot rim, dirty looking grit. I haven't tried to scrub it off.
Hi Sharon,
It looks stamped to me, too. Hand-painted marks usually have a little pool of glaze at the end of each brush stroke.
Sadly, it wasn't a bargain but a splurge. I paid $195 for it, which I'm sure Peter would say is too much. I am older and (at least a little) wiser now. I'm guessing it's worth around $100, although if it's rare...
You are no fly! I agree that the mark looks stamped.
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