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Hi everyone, I’m trying to figure out if someone painted the bottom edge of this vase. Any thoughts? Also, think late 19th century?
The vase is 14” tall.
It is rather suspicious that the glaze appears to have run up the inside of the foot rim. I have seen trimmed glaze edges (there were useful comments in a recent thread) but never anything as messy as this. It is also very reflective, even the base seems odd.
However, I don't know much about monochromes, so let's hope those with greater experience share their opinions.
The inside of the foot rim is very nicely finished but the glaze is very thick and not smooth (forgot what that is called). I’ll take more pictures later and show the inside rim of the top and bottom. I agree, I’ve only seen a few with the glaze on the foot let alone running inside which is why I wondered if someone painted it. I’m almost certain the vase is more than 100 years old so I’m not sure if the reflectiveness is because of the phone camera or what. Pictures to come later today.
@centralpapottery When lamped, maybe they slapped paint on both it and the stand or maybe it was made to be lamped, it might be as simple as someone buying matching paint for the stand because they wanted it to appear all of a piece.
The surface looks too mirror-like in my opinion. I’m looking forward to hearing our monochrome experts.
Birgit
I have two thoughts regarding the base of this piece; one is that the lamp hole looks like it was punched out before the vase was fired and the second is that the glaze cannot defy gravity and flow upwards during the firing process.
Not sure what the substance is on the foot rim, but some paint thinner on a cotton ball might provide a clue.
Anyone see the “Antique Chinese Sang De Boeuf Red Glazed” vase that just sold for 978 on eBay? The foot seems a bit like mine, even with the glaze runs. Am I wrong? Anyway, a few more photos.
Looks drilled after the firing to me but I could be wrong.
The vase is clearly not old, and based on that I suppose that the logical explanation by the glaze going up is that we are facing a further one of the many tricks of the fakers, like for example the lamp hole (hey, it was a lamp, then it must be old!), the fake collector’ stickers, the Japanese wood box, etc.
My theory is that they purposely applied glaze on the foot, so that the vase will stick on the bottom. This means that for removing it after firing, the foot will have the cracks that are typical of 19th century vases.
It is just a theory. We could say that instead of washing the foot with a thin layer of glaze, it would be enough to increase the glaze thickness so that it should overflow exactly as it happened in the 19th century. But probably in that case the process would be less controlled, the result being a too much hard sticking with subsequent more waste.
Instead, a thin wash of glaze should be less problematic. Then the drip of glaze apparently going up happened when the vase was upside down for the application of this wash.
It is just a theory, nothing to support it.
Regards,
Giovanni
Thick bottom seems authentic. I’ll get back with you on the paint thinner. Thanks everyone! Soap and water didn’t remove it.
I liked it until these last photos. These last pictures bother me. The glaze on the side appears to be flowing over the rough glaze that forms the bottom. They do not appear to have been applied at the same time...
Is this, below, the one you mean? I don't know if it is authentic, but to me it looks very different to yours: the interior, the mouth rim, the glaze colours at the top and the base.
It is definitely similar in that it is messy underneath, but I think the glazed has pooled beneath it and the vase was sitting in the kiln on the pools. On yours, the glaze appears to have run up the footrim which is not the same.
The last pictures are clearly showing that the slip on the foot is not the same glaze, as noted by Charles, or may be it is a very thin slip.
Seeing that, in either way I am more convinced about my theory. Their scope has been to have the foot sticking in the kiln, but not do hard.
What do you mean by "thick bottom seems authentic"?
Regards
Giovanni
So back to my original question that is seeming to be what happened. I didn’t have mineral spirits so I used my daughter’s fingernail polish remover and it smeared the paint. I’m guessing slip would not smear with nail polish remover. Will soaking the foot in mineral spirits hurt the slip or porcelain? If not, after I clean it off I will send a new picture.
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