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Michael M.
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Topic starter 06/12/2018 10:25 pm  

Hi folks,

I'll point out from the start that this might not be asian at all. It is mainly the latice (? Or perhaps it is more correct to call them bars?) work on the sides that makes me think that it might be. I've seen something similar to the bars on cabinets sold as Chinese, so I dont know, but hope someone here might.

It is a set of two, that are almost identical, one is taller than the other. The tallest is 195cm. There are no visible joints in the pictures (none that I could spot), and I've not seen them in person, so I have no idea what they look like on the back or underneath, or how the drawers are constructed. They seem like they have some age to them. I do not know what kind of wood they are made of.

Could these be asian (perhaps provincial?), or is that just a far fetched idea?

Thanks in advance!

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07/12/2018 1:36 am  

Hi Michael,

They look like stickley brothers magazine stands. Not sure, but you got my curiosity going and I did a little net surfing.

http://www.webteek.com/search.php?_d=1&item=1369&userid=bungalow&keySub=&sid=&keywords=China%20Cabinet


   
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07/12/2018 1:43 am  

If you google for Colonial Bookshelf you’ll find some more.

We just bought a Colonial style table in a second hand shop, these were quite popular in the 20th century and could sometimes be mistaken for antiques. 

Birgit


   
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Topic starter 07/12/2018 2:06 am  

Thanks for the input, but I think you are both a bit of the mark. However, your inputs did lead me to something Christies calls a Whatnot! It fits with the shelves and the drawers.

However, not sure it fits with the size... or the sides.

https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/furniture-lighting/a-george-iv-mahogany-whatnot-circa-1830-5918150-details.aspx?from=salesummery&intobjectid=5918150&sid=2d61cdae-b159-4b33-ba64-58a0614a6971

 

 

 

This post was modified 7 years ago 2 times by Michael M.

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07/12/2018 3:39 am  

No, not a whatnot, I think they are just bookshelves but I can see why you think they might be Chinese.   Until fairly recently, I was always getting catalogues through the door with the type of colonial furniture that Birgit refers to and these would fit in quite easily with that style.   

I am just surprised these are not exactly the same size.: if they were manufactured to be able to be sold in pairs, you'd think they would be. 

 


   
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07/12/2018 5:18 am  

Is this something you are looking to buy?

If so what is the said price and definition of said?

Mark


   
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Topic starter 07/12/2018 5:55 am  
Posted by: Julia

No, not a whatnot, I think they are just bookshelves but I can see why you think they might be Chinese.   Until fairly recently, I was always getting catalogues through the door with the type of colonial furniture that Birgit refers to and these would fit in quite easily with that style.   

I am just surprised these are not exactly the same size.: if they were manufactured to be able to be sold in pairs, you'd think they would be. 

 

Hi Julia, If they are handmade and have some age, it would not be uncommon that there could be slight dimensional differences, including in height. The smaller one is just a couple of cm shorter, so it is nothing big.

I'm still fairly convinced that these have the right patina and look to be 19th century, but I guess they could have been distressed to look the part. Not being able to find something very similar bugs me a bit!

I've also tried googling colonial bookshelf/bookcase/whatnot without turning up a match, which is why I sounded a little dismissive 🙁

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Topic starter 07/12/2018 5:57 am  
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Is this something you are looking to buy?

If so what is the said price and definition of said?

Mark

I was considering buying, yes, thought they would look good for displaying porcelain, etc. They are on auction, but no info at all, except the dimensions.

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07/12/2018 6:18 am  

Hi Michael,

i deal quite a lot in furniture. Do you have photos of the drawer runners? How a drawer is constructed can often be an indicator as to age. If I were to come across this listing I wouldn’t think they had any great age. Mid 20th century at the earliest. The top pediment has a little more patina than, say, the drawer fronts and the shelves. The design is quite chunky although the side panels add some elegance. One picture show the bottom corners have some wear where they’ve been scuffed. The wood showing through is very light in colour which suggests recent wear and that the wood has been coloured. If this was older, say 100+ years, I would expect to see similar scuffing that is much older and the exposed wood having its own patina. If it was an antique I would expect it to have a much richer colour with more depth. 

If I had to put m head on the block I would say Indonesian, made partially from reclaimed wood.

 

Nic


   
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07/12/2018 6:22 am  

Or this:

Both these examples are Indonesian. Both were made in the last 30 years.


   
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Topic starter 07/12/2018 7:15 am  

Hi Nic,

That is a very close match (the last photo you linked), and thank you for taking the time to respond. Is this design a cocktail of other designs, or is it based on an earlier Indonesian design?

I was kind of afraid that this had just been darkened and distressed, so I'm probably going to pass on it.

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07/12/2018 7:29 am  

Hi Michael,

I’m not an expert in Indonesian design style history but I suspect it is a recent devolpment. Older Indonesian furniture tends to be more ornate and often heavily carved. The modern export industry utilises reclaimed wood that is aged (from old boats etc) to create furniture for a modern market that like an aged look, statement pieces that are robust but have clean interiors (so no rot, woodworm, dodgy hinges etc). 

What you find is an amalgamation of design features given a decidedly Western practicality. Within that you’ll find variations on a theme, so your bookcases can be found in light wood, dark wood, with slats, without slats, 2 drawers, 3 drawers or 4 drawers, some carving detail and no carving detail. They’re basically using the same design to appeal to as many people as possible, which furniture makers have done for centuries. 

If you like the shelves and they’ll do the job you want them to do then they’re fine. The makers do not set out to deceive... although those selling them may! It all depends on price. These should not cost more than £100 - £150 each, maximum, unless they’re for sale in a shop in somewhere like London or NY where everything is more expensive.

 

Nic


   
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Topic starter 07/12/2018 9:40 am  

Thanks Nic, I'm really glad you helped solve this, and thanks to everyone who contributed!

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