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 Charles Bryan
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Topic starter 04/03/2021 12:06 am  

Hi All,

I found this little cup/bowl (2.75" tall and 4" wide) on the way home tonight.   It certainly looks Asian to me, but then, I am a novice! the glaze is opaque and a greenish-grey color--I suppose this qualifies as a shade of celadon.   There is a huge amount of kiln grit on and near the footrim, and the footrim is heavily coated with iron oxides that were apparently exuded during firing.  Along the edges of the footrim, where the iron oxides have worn off, the base material can be seen and it is a glassy, some what grainy, gray porcelain.  The footrim itself it remarkably uneven in thickness.  Some of the kiln grit appears to be white porcelain particles.  

This looks Chinese to me, but I suppose it could be Japanese or Korean?   I am thinking provincial kitchen Qing? 

Any opinions would be great!

Thanks,

Charles

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04/03/2021 7:50 am  

Hi Charles,

This is a chawan or tea bowl. I would guess Japanese, has quite a bit of wabi sabi aesthetic, the Japanese appreciation for things imperfect. Hand made. The foot rim is unusually ununiformed. Lots of nice looking grit. I collect this type but have a very difficult time dating them. But I really like this one, nice find!

Todd

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04/03/2021 8:03 am  

This is ouside my knowledge, but I think the bowl is wonderfully rustic, yet the glaze is really refined. How do they achieve such a blend?

So, I didn't know the Japanese used kiln grit... sounds silly, but I really didn't. 

I find the very irregular foot rim notable - very thin on one side and thich on the other. Imperfect? Only in a most perfect way!


   
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Topic starter 04/03/2021 3:59 pm  

@watership

@greeno107

Thanks, Todd.  I am not familiar with Japanese tea bowls, but have picked up enough through the forum that my instant thought when I found this was that it was Japanese--because of the imperfections.   Why else would someone make that odd asymmetric footrim, or leave all that grit in the kiln?  But I wasn't sure about the body--it does appear to be porcelain, and I don't know what the Japanese tea bowls are made of--I guess, I always assumed some sort of stoneware. 

As greeno says, there are  aspects of it that are oddly perfect, at least to my eye.  I love the way the porcelain peeks through glaze along the upper rim--almost Song-like.  And look how sharp the footrim is cut--it is perfectly flat--one can imagine the potter placing it in the kiln apparently on top of piles of kiln grit, and then carefully grinding it down to remove any grit from underneath.  But then leaving the grit in contact with the sides?   I think you must be right.   Wabi sabi!


   
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04/03/2021 5:00 pm  

I think it's Korean Joseon celadon ware. Not 100% sure.

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04/03/2021 8:40 pm  

I agree with Xin,
These types definitely have their inspired (and very similar) Japanese counterparts; but the abundance of kiln-grit and earthy hue of the white brushed glaze is more consistent (to me) with Joseon Dynasty pieces from the late period. 

What took me a moment at first causing a closer look, was the foot:
The colour looks correct, however the composition is rather rigid..
Yet this was also basing comparison of it on more refined Bunwon kiln type productions, and ones dating a little earlier.

In the end, I do feel this would make sense for a later period example; especially as more provincial kilns had risen and increased production of aesthetically humble/rustic wares aligning with the nation’s widening embrace of Neo-Confucianism ideals - and reflecting so in its art.

From what (I think) I remember being told.. even the Bunwon kilns had several tiers of production quality; so consistency in examples found will not always be identical, or as easy to identify compared to other wares & countries. 

These are still well loved; therefore still replicated (both as tributes and fakes), so unfortunately I cannot offer the above statement with guarantee pertaining to the authenticity of yours... but hopefully it gave you a good starting point for some further research.  

Nice piece!
-JRN


   
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Topic starter 05/03/2021 2:30 am  

Thanks to all!

After looking up Joseon examples, I think you are right.  I found similar glazes, similar footrims (even the uneven thickness of the rim), and similar-looking amounts of grit on Joseon celadon pieces. 

I saw similar glaze colors from 19th century, and the heavy kiln grit seems more typical of 19th century pieces as well.   Might be more recent, but in the absence of other information, I will assume it is 19th century.  

Charles

 


   
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