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Hi all,
a local dealer has this pair of vases for sale. They are 13” tall. one has damage to the rim. He’s asking £300. No marks to the base and no photo of the base either.
Do we think they’re 19th century? Are they a good buy at this price?
Thanks very much!
Nic
I would not buy them as i don't think they're very good quality , they look late 19th to me but i think you could get better export pieces for the money if you are patient.
Carl
Without a photo of the base, I would say these are C19th , and imo, good quality, nice moulding , good painting of the birds, nice gilded greek key border. The shape is not perhaps the most elegant, but they are a good display size. The big problem is the damage to the neck of one of them, which is quite extensive. You would want to restore this better than now, which would involve extra expense.
£300 is probably a bit much , but not outrageous, but can you live with the damage, which will also affect resale value later.
tam
For 300 Pf. you won't get this kind of vases in pair in mainland China. You see how people think about prices. If you like it and have enough money for it, why not?
Everyone only want to get bargains.
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Hi everyone,
Carl - yes, the damage is a little off-putting. Maybe £200 is a more sensible price?
Tam - I do not think I would rush to have it restored. For me, they would be fine for display as they are. With damage to the rim, if one displays them above eye level the damage can’t be seen! But yes, it could still bother me in the long-run.
Xin - you’re absolutely right. Everyone likes a bargain. It becomes quite tiresome to always be fighting to get the pieces you want in auction or on eBay. Especially because you only win 1 out of every 10 AND you pay top prices, or more than you want to pay.
I know these aren’t excellent pieces, but they have a look about them? And as the dealer is only 5 miles away, I’ll avoid the cost and hassle of postage, which is also very appealing!
Thanks to you all. You’ve given me a lot to think about.
Nic
I like them, too, but would be reluctant to spend that much as there are a lot of this type of item on the market and there is the damage to consider. I would make him an offer of £200, or even £175 and see what he says. If he is unwilling to barter, you can always leave your phone number. If he gets little interest elsewhere, he might chase it up.
Julia
Hi Julia,
thats great advice, thank you. I like this style better than the Rose medallion with figures. But I’m going to take a day or so to think about it.
very, very few genuine pieces turn up locally so when I saw these I got a bit excited! The dealer that owns them will usually move a bit on the price but he’s not overly generous. He’s particularly stubborn when dealing with other dealers. He always thinks you know something that he doesn’t, that the item is worth a lot more than he’s asking so he tends not to want take too much off.
Thanks again.
Nic
A pictures of the base would not go astray.
Mark
They are good quality, and I agree with Xin_Fawis, because these are 13 inches and as wide again. They are not the usual export in my opinion where you try to get a bargain. You can imagine these gracing the entrance room of some great building.
( Going by Prof Fletchers rule)
They are rare ( specifically) and of good quality and the condition of one is perfect and so a good investment, the other damaged and is not a good investment, but allows you to haggle to a price you are happy with.
They are quite huge and that adds enormous value.
If Baby dragon sold these on ebay at 0.99p due to the size, i would imagine she would easily get £250. Maybe check her history and look at the prices she gets for some of her canton export and note the larger items can go very high or Canton with some rarity also can go very high.
Canton export is all over the place price wise. You can get items very low and or very high, However if they in anyway good Quality and rare and of such a size then they go high end price.
As i pointed out in my earlier post, these would sell quite high on ebay. Nic Dan. If you can get them for under £250 you would have an immediate good investment. In my opinion.
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£165.00
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height approx 22 cm. Diameter to the bottom 9 cm.
Very good condition, some fritting to the mouth.
Hi SD,
Thanks so much for that. I still haven’t decided what to do. I’ve been looking at others for comparison and it seems the prices vary quite a lot. There’s a huge difference in price between ones in good condition and others that are damaged.
I’ve been very, very cautious lately because I seem to make a mistake every time I take the plunge! I bought something yesterday that I thought was on the Bidamount list. When I checked afterwards, it wasn’t there! Not sure how that happened because I’d have never put it on my watch list had it not been on Bidamount.
As I say, one mistake after another!
Nic
About Price.
Price varies not only based on Damage but on who is selling and exposure and the type of ad, the quality of the picture etc etc, I have gotten a vase that was re listed after a buyer failed to pay for £5 that had sold for £80. I got a 19th century Kutani Vase for £10 that an identical one( exactly identical- Condition same) sold for from one of the big sellers for £41. Mine was also several inches bigger. So prices are crazy. I got a 18th Century famille Mandrin Bowl in pristine condition for £5, I think people thought it was a newhall, 🙂 Interestingly so did i, i was getting several newhall, A plate and a Teapot. I saw this and grabbed it too.
However to my delight when i opened the box, it was a Chinese Mandarin of very high quality. It was listed as Antique Chinese oriental bowl. It is quite small though.
I would not limit yourself to solely the bidamount list;
I am a novice but i still manage to get really good things for very good value. You can almost always tell if something is real or fake. If your looking for very high quality then Bidamount is a good resource as it may help with authenticity.
However most of the british sellers are very honest and try their best to be truthful. You will get better deals if you also build your own sellers list. The fake situation is much worse in the USA then in UK.
I feel the opposite is true for Ebay uk, your are 75% more likely to get an authentic Antique than a fake antique. Also the British Porcelain is also more likely to be real in UK whereas in USA less likely.
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