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hello everyone! I was hoping that someone could possibly help me identify this vase? It is a bit ... unusual.
Nice!
I think 19th....later half. There are quite a few 18th to early 19th c., but my reason for thinking 2nd half of 19th is that bat handles is not consistent with the archaic design, and I think 18th c. and early 19th c. would stick to the archaic style.
I think I see, when I zoom in on your photo of the foot rim, a few grains of kiln grit. 18th c. would likely have been better polished.
Finally, I think the blue is not sharp enough for the 18th - early 19th c. archaic blue and white porcelains.
But, sometimes photos just don't do justice. So, feel free to post more pics.
Very pretty!
Thank you for the info! I was thinking late 18th century Because of the shape And the use of the blue but design was not adding up to that. 👏 to its creator and thanks again for the help!
Hello,
Sorry to be a party pooper, but to my eye and on my screen this lamp base looks fairly recent. The hole in the base does not look drilled but made when the vase was made. They is no wear anywhere on the body it is very shinny. The blue looks like chemical blue. The dirt on the base looks applied. Those labels are not a good sign. Would not be surprised if some aspects of the decoration is printed. Hope those with better eyes ,screens and more knowledge refute my comments.
Michael
I am inclined to agree with Michael. The hole isn't glazed, which is usually a good sign, but I think it was deliberately drilled to suggest age. First glance of the foot, I did think late 19th c, but on reflection, is it overly chunky? It looks to glisten a little, too.
I find the design odd, I have not noticed wavy borders like that on other pieces - or that kind of handle which doesn't seem to suit the rest of the shape or pattern. The decoration is stiff and unclear, eg the lower border lacks definition as the blue tones are not obvious enough. There are also some odd breaks in some of the circular blue lines. More generally, the overall tone of the blue and shinyness of the glaze do make it look modern.
That could be my screen - and lack of experience - too!
Julia
@bydand007 I've noticed that the degree you can expand a photo on this platform is limited, but if you right click the photo, you can open it on a separate webpage and then expand it to your hearts desire. Your photos are very clear with good resolution.
So, I've zoomed in and have taken some screen shots of your original photos...not sure this will work, but here goes.
Drill hole - the hole is definitely drilled, not pre-cast with a hole. You can see a chip around the opening and the unfinished porcelain on the sides of the hole have circular cuts from being drilled (converted to lamp).
The corner of the old red bordered label looks appropriately torn due to the drilling process, and that label is well associated with late 19th to early 20th c. pieces, and the ink on the label and the other labels appears to be from a fountain pen, not ball point (invented 1944).
The wavy lines are representative of water. Early examples would have the curling - crashing wave incorporated in the design, but as a later example, this seems to be a modification (like the bat handles) that the artist made. The lines are very delicately rendered by hand, and in my opinion, a daunting task for a forger to recreate.
The slip is rather thick, but not unusual for the heavy potting of a late 19th c. piece. You're photo has a light reflection, and looking closely, you can see there is texture from the irregular bubbles formed in the slip from being fired in a wood kiln. You can also see the irregular bubbles round the bat if you zoom in.
And, one last observation. Not sure who here is a 'hollow line' believer, but I do think that the cobalt used in the late 19th c. has a tendency to form hollow lines (but not always), but the phenomena doesn't seem to occur in other periods (earlier or later).
Here you can see the hollow line:
Overall, the modified 'hu' form of the vase with bat handles strikes me as exactly the kind of thing done in the later 19th to Republic. The piling of the blue and the highly detailed rendering pays homage to the Qianlong archaic style.
So, I'm a fan!
@bydand007 The design is called "interlock branch design pattern" ...i think its made in the 20 cent.
still a not so common design and a nice Vase.
Like the Hu form shape and flared at mouth. Could easily see this as early republic. Very nice.
George
The vase did look much better on my pc than on this tablet. I am still not convinced it is 19th c. but yes, it could be earlier 20th c than I first thought.
I did do some research on the bat handles, which I really like, but could not find them on a vase this shape and only from about 1920s /30:s onwards. Bonhams had one, but so did ali express or something only the link wouldn't open. None were like this vase, though.
I do like threads like this, I feel I am learning things. 😊
For me this vase looks fairly modern. If you look at the chip next to the hole in the bottom, it is very white without any dirt. Therefore not old. So I was thinking nobody today would drill a hole in an old vase like they did it in the early 20th century. And the overall look to me is much too shiny and flawless. Also the dirt on the footring is not regular like it would be on a late 19th century/early 20th century piece. So it's probably stained to deceive.
Chris
It's a very pretty vase.
But even though there are a few chips around it, hole in the bottom is awfully smooth. To my untutored eye, it doesn't look drilled.
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