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So, I am a bit fascinated and perplexed by this one. Can you guys please tell me what you think? Surely the top must have been ground down, but from what original shape I'm not sure. It was made in two sections, corresponding to the two porcelain colors separating the top and bottom sections. I am not sure if I have seen an example like this where they seem to have dyed or colored the porcelain itself. Is that common? I thought at first it was just a glaze color but then I saw the unglazed portion of the foot was also the same light blue. I'm not sure if the basket carving was done by hand or some other means like a mold of some sort. It's pretty impressive I think either way. The painting has some very nice detail. I especially like the corn silk. I can't seem to figure out the mark and I don't know what the script says. For some reason the seal looks familiar to me but I'm not sure from where. The recessed center of the foot is rather deep and looks older in that area than the rest of the vase. There are some numbers and odd markings on the base I'm not sure what to make of them. The numbers look like 804 and seem kind of old timey writing style. Maybe that's a collection number? At any rate, I look forward to hearing what others think of it. Cheers! John
Have you tried to find the mark on the usual sites? The one on the base, I mean.
I like the grasshopper but quite honestly, I find the vase rather twee and uninteresting. I particularly dislike the gold. I am guessing it is Japanese mid to late 20th c. The photos are so bad, I can't really tell.
Have you bought this for yourself? How much was it?
@julia I did try to find the mark but no luck. Tried Chinese and Japanese. I had never heard the word twee before so you have expanded my vocabulary. I feel like the script and seal mark is more a Chinese thing. And the mark on the bottom in the square box is as well. I also thought the gilt use looked Japanese, but now I'm not so sure. The marriage of the two sections, with different colors, and all the carving work I think make this interesting and worthy of further investigation. Just, out of curiosity, are you clicking on the photos? If you do they get a little clearer, although they are still shabby I know. New phone coming soon!
That is interesting that you haven't heard "twee" before. Maybe it hasn't travelled over oceans. It is a funny little word but quite handy! 😊
I am now on my pc and yes, the pictures are better. I will extend my dating down to 1940s, that blue and the gilding would fit in that time, also the style. I do like the grasshopper bit, I can see the upper painting has been quite nicely done, but sorry, on the whole I find it very unappealing mainly due to the blue tone, the gilding and the dated look.
The reasons I think Japanese are the way it has been painted, the lettering looks quite Japanese (but I am no expert on this and it might equally be Chinese) but also a chinese mark is rarely off-set that much. Mike posted a jug or tea pot where it is off-centre but here it is clearly to one side.
@julia Have you seen others where the porcelain itself has been colored? I mentioned this before, but the blue of the basket is not a glaze color, it is the actual porcelain which apparently had pigment mixed into it. Just wondering if that would be done more in China, Japan, and if that helps to date it in terms of being a technique used more at a particular time, etc? Also, are there other examples of Japanese putting a square around a mark? I don't think I've ever seen one so I'd like to see a comp if anyone has one.
That is interesting, how do you know that the porcelain is coloured? Why isn't the underside of the base and the part where the hole has been made also blue.
You must have missed the Gotheborg and the litaxulingkelley sites when you were checking marks as both show them in squares.
@julia I looked through Gotheborg but didn't see any Japanese marks in squares, except maybe some satsuma marks, but this obviously isn't satsuma. So I somehow must have missed them. Do you recall which other types had squares? The entire underside is blue, it just appears chalky colored because it is unglazed in places and my pictures are well...my pictures. But the other way you can tell is because it can be seen on the inside as well. Here is a picture which shows that:
I immedieatly thought humpty Dumpty but i am not sure that is much use.
However The backmark does lool like a familiar Japanes backmark which i will term a fuku mark, at least in that style and that i saw when reearhcing something but cannot recall where, will let you know if i find it. FUKU means happiness.
John, there are several of them on both sites. It will be easier for you to go and look than it will be for me to look and report back. If I remember, on Gotheborg you should start on the first page. Fuku marks also appear in squares but I haven’t seen one quite like this.
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