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The Kozan marked vase is a real delight and a bargain IMO.
Well worth the effort to have it professionally restored.
The Hirado Kohsyo Danemon Kiln is still owned and operated and they have a website:-
www.kohsyo.main.JP
I would submit that you contact them and see what there response is etc. You could also contact Shangrila Antiques for a well respected opinion.
The area surrounding what is or isn't real antique Fukagawa ware versus modern is really quite clouded and therefore not clear cut.
Your vase is a very nice example but in my humble opinion I submit that it is not circa 1910 but later. I may be totally incorrect in my judgement, as I am not 100% sure, and neither am I an expert on said. Just a collector/admirer.
I did try and look for information regarding the sale of Hirado blanks to Fukagawa but with no result. That is why I have posted the addresses etc.
Very informative posts by all in this thread.
Mark
Dear Mark
Thank you for your comment, your opinion is very appreciated. I will contact sangrila regarding the Kozan vase, their comments would be very welcome.
Also it is a good idea to contact the Hirado kiln, hope they take a look and comment on it.
I will update if I get new information.
Best regards
Spartakos
Today I purchased another larger Fukagawa vase very similar in style to the one we discussed here, with same period fukagawa mark drawn in the same style but by different artist.
Today I purchased another larger Fukagawa vase very similar in style to the one we discussed here, with same period fukagawa mark drawn in the same style but by different artist.
That looks nice, Can you post better pictures when it arrives.
Here is that Fukagawa Vase I got from Baby Dragon.
It is very nice indeed, just a few days ago I saw an identical bowl in liveauctioneers database. I've asked around on some other forums regarding the Fukagawa mark and was so surprised to get completely different answers on it, some say 1990s some 60s, some 1910-20s. One gentleman told me that although it is a mark used on modern day fukagawa they key to spot the older pieces is to look at the way the characters are written, past 60s Fukagawa seemed to move away from fully hand painted items and start transfer printing with minimal hand painting that used less skill, also the mark was kind of standartized especially the last character is very rounded and looks similar on all items. earlier marks like on your bowl all have slight visible differences.
It is very nice indeed, just a few days ago I saw an identical bowl in liveauctioneers database. I've asked around on some other forums regarding the Fukagawa mark and was so surprised to get completely different answers on it, some say 1990s some 60s, some 1910-20s. One gentleman told me that although it is a mark used on modern day fukagawa they key to spot the older pieces is to look at the way the characters are written, past 60s Fukagawa seemed to move away from fully hand painted items and start transfer printing with minimal hand painting that used less skill, also the mark was kind of standartized especially the last character is very rounded and looks similar on all items. earlier marks like on your bowl all have slight visible differences.
The mark on my Bowl i have not pinned down to an exact date. I have rules out the 1950/60 variation because mine is too fluid for that. I agree it is very daunting to try date these marks. The orchid seems to be the best indicator of an older item.
The vase got here, updating the photos, eventually I am settling to a generic early 20 century dating untill further information. Also I've been talking to a collector based in Japan, she also had a two similar vases and she mentioned they are rather hard to come by unlike the items made in 60s-70s
What do you make of something like this, it was free post. I did not get it and i doubt the seller will re list with free post. It lacks oif the quality of Fukagawa but it is still attractive,
Wow, I would never have thought it to be fukagawa, the mark looks unusual to me, it does look Meiji and lovely indeed. I noticed it did not do well at the auction. I own many similar items but have yet to figure a way to market them.
Update:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/123798942864
I found a bowl similar to the one -I got snatched from baby Dragon 🙂 ( no pun intended)
While this is not described as Fukagawa by the seller, it does have the blue orchid, which means it is very possible my bowl dates to a similar time.
I also got this last week for myself.
Hello
Those Koi fish bowls are really nice. I am looking forward to buying one. I also saw one on past auction
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/62104786_japanese-fukagawa-porcelain-bowl-hand-painted-with
I do own a set of fukagawa plates with blue orchid mark, I believe them to be from the 30s.
Also recently bought this bowl.
But the real target is to find 19th C items with red orchid mark.
Best regards
Spartakos
That is a beautiful bowl, yes, I should focus on the red orchids. However Fukagawa is hard enough to find, unless you wish to spend alot which i do not! I would like to build a collection as cost effectively as i can. However I guess i might stretch the budget for exceptionally rare and good condition quality items preferably with the red orchid.
Electric 🙂
I would research that blue pattern as it is unusual. Also I just learned that the blue Orchid is basically more or less the same predicament as the Mt Fuji. As it does pop up later in the late 20th century, but still it helps better define the era when you can match two different styles of backmark on similar pattern items.
Also as a side note that Fukagawa Bowl that resembles my bowl that you saw on Live auctioneers also raises another concern as to quality. I notice my fish and that bowls fish are slightly less in quality to the bowl i found on ebay, however my pattern is much higher pattern to the bowl on live auctions.
I sometimes feel Fukagawa is a treacherous terrain 🙂 to try get early 20th Century examples.
The blue bowl I believe to be 20s-30s, this design eventually dominated the Fukagawa style for second half of 20C. After war they ditched complicated hand painted elements except for a very simple details, glit lines mostly that did not require any skill.
I also noticed difference in quality of earlier mass produced items but I think it is normal as the Fukagawa probably employed dozens of different artists and their skill level varied.
Early century pieces are still pretty affordable and usually don't do very well at auctions, I even find some at flea markets regularly, building a collection now seems to be good idea who knows how the market will change in 20 years.
Have you confirmed these are genuine Makuzu Kōzan. Have you any idea to value.
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