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We need a good picture of the inside light it up so it’s well lite inside. I want to see it clearly I’m trying to compare it with my authentic Longquan vase I own.
I still think this vase was tipped over during firing and was salvaged there hasn’t been any data to say otherwise the coiled inside and clay are consistent to other know examples. These things are tricky and have to be handled by an expert it’s only then you will get to the bottom of this study.
@lotusblack thanks for looking at it!!! Really appreciate your time and opnion. Ill try to find some local Asian art experts see if they can hold and look at it.
Personally ,I think your Cong Vase has potential to be Ming.
I particularly like this image
Here are a couple if images of close up images of my very early Ming Longquan stained crackle Vase for comparison.
There were 100’s of Longquan kiln sites so variations in glaze,density,and shade occur,as well as actual paste colour from grey to almost white.
Mine has a deep brown iron oxide dressed foot but a recent chip at the ground down neck shows the underlying paste to be off white.No pics as they are on my laptop and I’m typing on my ipad which has just the two images above available.
Vic
Those smudges in the interior, and those at 2 O'clock and 6 O'clock in the red circle, looks like the fake orange 'dirt' that is rubbed into reproduction Song, Yuan, and Ming wares, to make them look old and to color the crackle.
The interior looks very new.
Regardless of anyone's opinion on the glaze, including my own, you should know that guan (crackle) and longquan glazes are perhaps the best copied glazes since they've been studied and copied for roughly 600 years.
How good?
A few years ago I sent a piece to Christie's in New York. The piece came from a collector that I bought out and acquired a number of very fine Asian porcelains... in fact, most of my Japanese collection that I've kept, came from this estate. The piece also had gallery labels from the early 20th c.
The initial opinion based upon photos was that the piece could be Song, but most likely a Ming copy. Robert Mowry handled the piece, and while he felt that the glaze could be of that early period, but other aspects of the overall form were not consistent with these early wares, of which he is a world reknown authority, and he felt the piece was more modern than it had appeared.
TL tests returned indicating that the piece was 100 years old or less... the piece was obviously new at the time it was acquired in the early 20th c., and perhaps even then, it was made to look much older than it was at the time.
Song, Yuan, and Ming longquan and guan glazes (and probably all glazes) can not be authenticated visually, especially by photos. More importantly, one has to take into consideration the entire collective composition of the objects factors (form, decoration style, artistic execution, defects, markings) in order to make an assessment of age.
But, we know that already, right? Yet, we seem to be focusing on the one strength of this vase, its beautiful glaze, and closing our eyes to the other less attractive / less compelling features. Is this the method we preach for evaluating pieces?
Let's say Peter agrees that the vase 'looks' Ming (or earlier)... what then? Are you, Jessee, prepared to spend $800 on a TL test?
We are just dealing in opinions, not actual authentication. However, what is at the root of my dissent is that we (collectors) should be focusing our efforts to find and collect the best examples of period porcelains that our budgets can afford. And, we should be instructing those who seek our guidance to do the very same, and imploring them to look at the 'whole' of the piece... not just one or two features.
In this case, we are not following our own advice.
If you feel the vase is Ming, do as so many do... put it on a shelf in your home, and enjoy it as Ming vase.
The absence of documented provenance, the absence of a TL test, and terrible tilt, and the numerous artistic flaws will prevent it from ever gaining serious consideration by collectors, regardless of the opinions (including my own) on the actual age.
Here is an authentic Yuan/Ming vase for comparison I own this is why I believe it’s ok. See how the crackle looks ok at top nice and dirty but looks clean as you go further down and disappears as you go down into the vessel. The coils are very consistent also
Do you think you can tell by the look of the celadon glaze if something is actually old/period?
Quiz time:
Which one of these celadon glazes is actually old? I promise... only 1 is authentic...so, you have at least a 25% chance of getting it right just by luck. I could have posted 20 examples.
My point, if it is not too obvious, is that I'm not aware of anyone in the world that can judge the age of a piece on the basis of the celadon glaze without taking EVERYTHING ELSE into consideration.
As someone who has not mentioned the G word and would not rely on just that anyway, I won't do the quiz, but may I briefly interrupt and ask Brian if he is saying the interiors are the same or just saying what it should look like? I don't see the similarity.
The 3rd picture 🙂
@lucky_sun123 I'm going to let others participate (if they choose to) before saying which is the genuine period glaze, but I forgot to ask that you please post your reason for your choice.
If you're just guessing, that's fine.... in fact, that is my point. There is no way to tell which glaze 'looks good' for the period' without considering every other aspect of the object.
But, you might have guessed right, so let's see what others say. 😀
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