The Chinese and Asian Art Forum. For Fans, Collectors and Dealers.
Basic Rules For the BidAmount Asian Art Forum: Talk about whatever you want. You can even discuss and offer things that are for sale if they are authentic. Maximum image file size per post is 2 MB. Images of 700pxl x 700pxl are optimal if saved at a medium resolution. Be respectful of others and enjoy yourself. Click the YouTube link for a brief tutorial on using the forum. You can also EMBED Videos by cutting and pasting from You-Tube, Vimeo etc.
NOTE: To post an item or add a new post, click open the category title from the FORUM LIST, and CLICK the Blue ADD TOPIC button.
@lucky_sun123 Would you mind posting a clear close up of the foot rim in the top area where it is grainy and almost black?
Aside from the black mass, do you see the difference in the form of the foot rim?
I'm not sure which Christie's example you're using... I searched 'Ming porcelain cong' and zero results came up.
When I search 'longquan cong', five results with photos show up. In all examples, the celadon glaze falls short of the foot rim, and the foot rim seems to have a slightly conical form (with the tip flattened). In the photo you posted, the edge of the conical foot has celadon glaze dripped on it as it turns flat.
In your vase, the foot is flat and the celadon glaze runs fulsh to the flat foot rim.
That example which is simular in stretch of the imagination at best came from not a cong vase but a reg longquan vase of song/ming. I will try to get a clear straight shot of it. There is no sunshine today in my neck of the woods. But ill do my best with lighting etc.
the color is hard to capture. It appears more light green in most of the photos. In person prob a shade our 2 darker. To me appears there is some age on the foot. The places where it has been rubbing can see more of a whitish body. Some brown glaze slip over near the warped foot area. Has a couple chip marks also.
@lucky_sun123 Those are good clear photos.
That black pitted area... I can not tell you what caused that, but it does not appear to be found on Ming, Yuan, and Song pieces. It just looks to be window dressing to make the foot look old.
Let me just say that if the foot was a pefect match with know period examples (which it is not), my opinion would not have changed. It is well known that forgers have essentially mastered every known physical aspect of re-creating an early piece of porcelain, which essentially leaves the determination of authenticity up to how well the overall artistry and composition of a piece conforms with known examples.
Fortunately, most forgers fall short on achieving harmony with their attempts, but with early monochromes, the fakes are always quite close and generally can only be completely discounted through physical examination and/or laboratory testing - unless there is a glaring fault.
Anyway... my position stands. Best of luck.
Thank you again for your consideration and feedback!!! if I hear different ill present a case, going off hear say and hypothetical as this is ill consider this a fake. Thanks again 🙂
Can we see the inside. Tim my thought was based on the glaze and clay. I haven’t seen a fake with the glaze done in the Ming style. Yes I don’t like the burnt foot. The body is distorted due to the collaps from I suspect another vase. The glaze to me still looks correct.
Brown dressed foot, did the Japanese ever make a cong vase? You could use the Identification Assistant for 12.00 and have Peter weigh in on it.
@lotusblack That makes some sense about the glaze, but this is the big risk we ALL take when we look at each individual component, rather than considering the work on a holistic approach, AND treating flaws as an explination for an authentic work appearing less than the high standard set by undamaged/unflawed works.
I don't question your good taste and knowledge... you have both, and I would be sad to hear that you would intepret our disagreement as anything other than friendly debate.
That said, I think you are far more forgiving than I am on certain aspects of authenticity, and I believe this is because you have more experience selling decorative pieces than I do, and your success at selling these more decorative pieces has widened your span of tolerance for what is acceptable among consumers. From a seller's standpoint, if the market provides willing buyers, then so be it - I don't disagree.
However, we should not transfer these experiences to collectors. From a collector's standpoint, I don't feel that this is a good practice because we should be curators of our collections, seeking to preserve the best available examples of period art that our budgets permit, and we should approach every 'new find' with skepticism if and when it does not conform precisely to known examples for the sake of preserving the standards set by the founding scholars of this field. New ideas on authenticity present huge consequences if they are not properly founded.
At the end of the day, this was a $45 purchase of an unusual vase, so there is no financial loss to speak of. However, I caution against the use of descriptions such as 'good Longquan piece from the Ming' when in addition to glaring construction problems, the piece also lacks significantly in other artistic aspects.
And as a matter of fact, I would not mind to be proven wrong on this vase. Cong vases are extremely rare from the Song and Yuan (not sure why I haven't come across any longquan congs in the Ming), and an imperfect piece would still be a fantastic discovery.
Yes have to wait till tomorrow till I can try to capture maybe some more photos inside and close ups of the glaze itself. I did reach out to peter on the Identification part of things waiting to hear what he thinks based on the photos.
My opinion still is the piece could be fine for Ming I actually own a Longquan celadon vase the glaze is correct. Your right I have held a lot of decorative celadon pieces no modern celadon that ai can remember was able to produce the glaze it never looks correct.
@lotusblack some pics of the glaze in natural sun. Has thousands of tiny little bubbles!!
Can see a couple bigger bubbles here and there. The glaze is amazing!!!
Inside the vase the crackle doesn't have the golden brown in the crackle.
Latest Post: Two Panels, 40” x 20” Our newest member: Eric C Recent Posts Unread Posts
Thanks for visiting "The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art"
If you sell on eBay, or have a shop feel free to post images and descriptions and links.
Check back often for discussion about the latest news in the Chinese art and antique world. Also find out about the latest Asian art auctions at Sotheby's, Christie's, Bonhams and Tajans.
Auction results for: fine porcelain, ceramics, bronze, jade, textiles and scholar's objects. As well as Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and other Asian cultures.
Thank you,
Peter Combs
Topics and categories on The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
Kangxi vases, Kangxi dishes and chargers, Kangxi ritual pieces, Kangxi scholar's objects, Qianlong famille rose, Qianlong enamels, Qianlong period paintings, Qianlong Emporer's court, Fine porcelain of the Yongzheng period. Chinese imperial art, Ming porcelain including Jiajing, Wanli, Xuande, Chenghua as well as Ming jades and bronzes.
Join the BidAmount Chinese and Asian art discussion board and forum today
The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
A free Asian art discussion board and Asian art message board for dealers and collectors of art and antiques from China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and the rest of Asia. Linked to all of the BidAmount Asian art reference areas, with videos from plcombs Asian Art and Bidamount on YouTube. Sign up also for the weekly BidAmount newsletter and catalogs of active eBay listing of Chinese porcelain, bronze, jades, robes, and paintings.
The art of calligraphy - and for the ancient Chinese it certainly was an art - aimed to demonstrate superior control and skill using brush and ink. Calligraphy established itself as one of the major Chinese art forms during the Han dynasty (206 BCE - 220 CE), and for two millennia after, all educated men were expected to be proficient at it.
The Museum’s collections of Asian art span nearly five millennia and encompass the cultures of China, the Himalayas, India, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia. In 2007, the Museum launched an initiative to create dedicated galleries for the collection, beginning with a gallery for the arts of Korea ...
Chinese art is full of symbolism, in that artists typically seek to depict some aspect of a totality of which they are intuitively aware.
China Online Museum is the finest online museum of Chinese art. It features Chinese calligraphy, painting, ceramics, bronzes, carving, and other artworks.
Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art. Overview Upcoming auctions Contacts Auction results ... Christie’s sales of Chinese ceramics and works of art showcase centuries of Chinese history. Held throughout the year in London, New York, Paris and Hong Kong, they attract a wide audience of collectors and connoisseurs vying for pieces as diverse as ...
Explore Asian Art Week. Contact the Specialist Department. Chinese Paintings ... Senior Specialist, Head of Sale. [email protected]. Tel:+1 212 641 5760. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 September 2019 at New York. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 ...
Discover an abundance of must-see art from all corners of a vast continent at Christie’s NY Asian Art Week. From contemporary classical and Chinese paintings to works with exemplary provenance from the Art Institute of Chicago, our Rockefeller Paza galleries will be full of ancient treasures and contemporary masterworks in a salute to the vibrant arts of Asia.
Sold to benefit The Art Institute of Chicago’s Asian Art Acquisition Fund, the sale features 84 lots with a focus on Ming and Qing porcelains, and offers a rare insight into the taste for collecting Chinese ceramics and works of art in the Midwest from the end of the 19th century through the 1980s. Highlights include two Wanli wucai garlic-head vases, a Qianlong mark and period, blue and ...
Specialist, Chinese Paintings, Christie's London Dr Malcolm McNeill is a Specialist in Chinese Paintings at Christie’s, based in London. He previously worked as an assistant curator of the Chinese collections and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, as a researcher at the British Museum, and as a translator and tour guide at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.
The Christie's Education 2020 Conference: The Chinese Art Market 18 Jun 2019 Christie’s Education is delighted to announce our first international academic conference in Asia which will take place in Hong Kong from 26-27 November 2020 at the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and will run in parallel with Christie’s Hong Kong Autumn Auctions.
The summer Chinese Art sale in Hong Kong will feature works of art from several private collections, including Qing porcelains and textile from the collection of the legendary Chinese art dealer A. W. Bahr (1877–1959), fine gilt bronze Buddhist sculptures from an old Hong Kong collection, an East Asian collection of Qing dynasty wine cups and jades, and a Japanese collection of Song ceramics ...
Sotheby's Chinese Works of Art Department holds two auctions each year in London, New York, Hong Kong and Paris.
Chinese Art - View Auction details, bid, buy and collect the various artworks at Sothebys Art Auction House.
With more than 340 Chinese works of art dating from the Neolithic to the Republic periods, highlights of this sale include a selection of Qing Imperial monochromes from the collection of Arnold and Blema Steinberg, early ceramics from the Art Institute of Chicago and Chinese porcelain and works of art from the collection of Henry Arnhold.
Results: Sotheby's Asia Week achieved $52.4 million in six strong auctions, exceeding pre-sale estimates. With 76.5% of lots sold and 60.3% of lots surpassing high estimates, the Asian art sales at Sotheby's indicate continued collector interest in the finest works of art from China, India and and the Himalayas.
Today's sale of Important Chinese Art will proceed as planned with sessions at 10 AM and 2 PM EDT. Sotheby's will be monitoring the weather conditions throughout the day and will be available to coordinate alternative bidding options should conditions make it difficult for clients to attend the auction in person.
Bonhams Chinese Art department is renowned for offering the finest works of art representing the richness and breadth of China's artistic heritage, particularly Imperial porcelain, white and spinach green jades, cloisonné and Buddhist art. Specialised international auctions are held globally, including London, Hong Kong and San Francisco.
Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Chinese Art (US) General enquiries
Bonhams : Fine Chinese Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars Bonhams : Asian Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site.
Bonhams are international auctioneers of fine Chinese and Japanese art. We specialise in rare Imperial and Export Chinese ceramics and works of art, as well as Japanese ceramics, fine and decorative works of art from the Neolithic Period to the 20th century. View on map
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Asian Art Bonhams. Work. 22 Queen St.