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Hi, All. What with the stuff I have collected (with no knowledge or understanding) over the last 20 years, the excitement of antiquing now that I am learning a little bit, I have been posting alot! Please let me know if I am abusing the forum.
But in the meantime, this is another find from this weekend, which is either a great find, or...well, not. Last week I posted 8 small late-Qing/Republican bowls with some similar motifs, and @julia noted that she had not seen a set of bowls like that, but had seen plates. Well, this weekend, I found these 8 celadon plates (or shallow bowls—they are about 1.5” deep) in a local antique store. They vary on size from 8.75" to 9.5" across. They all bear similar, but different interpretations of the same design on the top. They all have reign marks, most indicating that most of the bowls (at least) are marked Ming, Chenqhua period (I could not have interpreted the reign mark weeks ago); I can’t read a few of the marks. Are these real Ming plates?
The patterns vary a lot in terms of the quality of the painting. Some of them show a great deal of wear—others show virtually none. What me suspicious is that some plates how no wear at all, and all the plates have pretty much exactly the same color of celadon glaze. The hexagonal red export stamps date a couple of them to being exported in the 1960-70’s, so they are not brand new, but also suggests that they were considered to have no cultural significance. Also, in some cases, the reign marks seem to be a different shade of blue than the front decorations. Finally, I payed very little for these and the store I bought them from generally knows its stuff.
What is the significance, if any, of the symbols pecked into the enamel?
I photographed plate 1 outdoors, so you can see the true color of the glaze. But the others were photographed indoors.
The plates, from 1 to 8, going from better quality to worse (on my opinion). I have shown the front and the back, and close-ups on the surface finish and the mark. In the best plates, the front decorations are outlined in pale enamel. Some plates have heavy surface wear (including deep cutlery marks on plate 6), and many have symbols pecked into the enamel, mostly on the front, but sometimes on the back. Two plates have chips, one of which has been repaired. Plate 3 has a dirty footrim, but it DID wash clean with soap and water. Four plates have red wax stamps or residue. Plates 7 and 8 have a 2-character reign mark (possibly Chenqhua again?); the decoration on those 2 is rougher. Also, plate 7 has a very dirty brown footrim that does not wash clean; but it also has lots of brown specks in the glaze (not on the surface). Is it possible that this plate was simply made with iron-rich paste?
I would love to hear your thoughts on the age of these plates…
Thanks,
Charles
Charles,
These fall into the kitchen Qing category for common use in the late 19th century and were also exported in great numbers to SE Asia. The center motif is a stylized "Shou" Longevity character all having Cheng Hua marks. They were designated with the red seal as having no cultural significance and being OK for export due to the great numbers and copies that were made. The pecked markings are owner's names as a family or restaurant may have had a large set of these and I see someone with a name of "An" pecked in as only for An's use. Hope this helps.
George
Please don't worry about how much you post, I want to see things to learn.
Hi Charles,
As George mention those tattoos on your plates are owners marks. Until quite modern times in China several homes were built around a communal kitchen and after the meal and washing up was done the items could be returned to the owner. Interestingly this concept of individual ownership of objects was frowned upon in the PROC period so that may help you date your find a little.
Those marks are part of their history. I would not be surprised if the fakers are adding such marks to new items, don't think that is the case with your plates due the the wear and the seals.
I quite like them I think the modern designation " Kitchen Ming or Qing" is a bit unkind I prefer the the older used term " Minyao" or daily use. Just my view other will disagree.
Michael
Thanks, All! You comments are very informative. I am not upset by what you say. I was fairly certain they weren't actually Ming. It is nice to know they do have some real age. And I paid very little for them, so there is no financial damage! Now that I know what they are, I was able to find identical plates online.
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