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I have always wondered how old my very large ( 53cm / 21 inches ) celadon vase is. It looks very old, but is it made to look old or simply old, old... if you see what I mean. - It was an absolute pain to photograph as it is so big (my rooms are not so large). In reality the glaze looks greenish however the camera flash makes the celadon look blue... I have included photos with and without flash for your review. - I have spent many hours trying to find a similar vase but have never succeed...
Some more photos of the same large vase:
...I spent another hour or so trying to find a similar examples of this vase and things took an unexpected turn.
I have now found a very modern copy of a similar example to my vase, although not exact, both are roughly the same size with many almost identical features.
Here's a link: http://en.51bidlive.com/Item/844707
The modern copy in the above link is described as Yuan Dynasty (13th Century)... Is my vase an older copy of an original Yuan vase? I have tried Googling Yuan pieces but can not find anything close. I did find a nice cup with immortals from the Yuan period sold through Christie's:
But as you can see the celadon glaze is completely different and the immortals are not decorated in red glaze, just left in unglazed biscuit.
Any thoughts?
Here's a footrim of a piece I dated as Yuan from the collection of a Czech Republic diplomat. I was quite confident of the dating and actually purchased the piece in-person in Prague.
It is what it is!
Could you take an internal picture of the vase with a flash, would like to see the inside bottom.
http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2017/06/16/35391091.html
The footrims on these can vary to quite a degree. Such a comparable is not a good sign though. I'm sure there is a comp out there somewhere that is the same shape, although the meiping versions do seem more prevalent. Does it have good provenance?
It is what it is!
Many thanks for taking the time to feedback @collectingasia
In answer to your questions and requests... I am unable to take a better photo of the inside (the one already supplied is the best I've managed). I only have a camera on my phone and the neck on this vase is very thin for it's size (only approx 8cm / 3 inches wide). - However I have just shined a torch inside and can confirm that the interior of the vase is glazed (as per the exterior), the very internal base is smooth/flat and the internal walls have ring lines all the way up, which looks to me like it was made on a wheel/turned.
As for provenance, it has been in the family since at least the early 1960's, from my mother's side. We don't know where it originally came from, however my maternal grandfather lived in North London, UK and regularly bought at auctions, so I assume he purchased it.
The above item is described as a "Ming Longquan celadon incense burner".
I think my vase shares a lot of characteristics with this incense burner... the colour of the glaze and the way it has crazed and stained appears to my eyes to be almost identical.
- Any thoughts?
To me, the incense burner looks ok. While there are shared characteristics, the incense burner has more natural variation and signs of age.
Looking at the censer: Notice the crackle glaze with bigger and smaller crackles, some thicker pooling of glaze in areas, some staining and discoloration across the surface. Possibly a restuck chip to the rim with some frits here and there, it's fair clean but has some "dust". (I'm not saying that dirty is better - the censer just has a good feel from the images.)
If we stop and think about this vase being a super expensive lavish show of wealth during the period, and then we look at the carved upright leaf detail on the neck of your vase... those areas look hastily done for sure.
It is what it is!
Thanks for the ongoing feedback @collectingasia
I agree with all that you have pointed out... so do you feel my vase is a late 19th/early 20th Century?
Next week I'll try and pop into an auction house to get some further feedback, as my own research is going nowhere. The problem with this vase is that it is so large and heavy, not something I can carry on my bike ?
That's always a great idea. There are a lot of good auction houses across the globe that provide free in-person estimates, and I think an in-person valuation always trumps a valuation from just photos. If it's too big to lug around - email a few auction house experts.
It is what it is!
That's always a great idea. There are a lot of good auction houses across the globe that provide free in-person estimates, and I think an in-person valuation always trumps a valuation from just photos. If it's too big to lug around - email a few auction house experts.
It is what it is!
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