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@sunny_luck123 not much to decode this was made in a shop as it has the shop mark these marks are very common on Republic period pieces the reason for the dating is two thing’s several different panels were used for this tapestry this was also common during this period these were all sold a tourist pieces. Also the colors of the dragon is not a Qing Dynasty attribute. If this was court it would never have mixed panels. But after the Qing Dynasty fragments were often used in local textile shops for export.
Always appreciate the opinion!! Your point makes sense to me!!!
and def makes more sense than a real tapestry for the imperial court Qing dynasity! The lady who sold these to me got these from china in her travels. Also had 2 silk robes with this tapestry. The tapestry i bought but the robes I declined as to rich for my blood she was asking. I assumed off not much knowledge the robes where 19th late early 20th. But republic period might make more sense.
I assumed these where all real and not made in a shop for tourist. But always learning 🙂
Those are better pictures, thanks. These are my loose , non-expert observations.
If this were made as a table cloth or chair cover, I would expect it all to be of one piece and for their to be much more wear. It may be helpful to map out where the seams run and then compare it to the construction of a robe. I will post a helpful site for that at the bottom.
This has either been made from a cut up robe - or we are meant to think that. As you can see the dragons are couched over the seam, yet the claws (which don't line up well in places) and space for the dragon was already there. Or maybe they did that on more recent robes, but the casualness of the quality of claws to feet, suggests to me, tourist trade rather than official robes. The central roundel could be infill for the head hole, or we are meant to assume that.
The background stitching is quite angular, rather than curved, but it appears to be on top of the material, not woven in. I would guess either a machine did it or someone who didn't really care. If it is a machine the stitches will be even.
There is a loose gold thread. If this were really old, the gold was I believe, processed in a certain way and wrapped around a silk thread. Like Brian I think this is probably first half of 20th c but you could get a loupe out and look hard at the thread.😊
Here is the link. I have enjoyed thinking about this, it is very interesting. I hope @sharonp still looks in. She often has a good observation about textiles, maybe this will tempt her back.
http://folkcostume.blogspot.com/2017/09/dragon-robes-of-qing-dynasty.html
Able to look at this under the light. Can see couple different seems. And at 1st glance from reading that amazing blog post has some same design attributes of robe construction. And the only seem that looks out of place is a 45 degree angle seem from the main axes. More time ill be able to get some more quality pictures of the things right on this and the maybe obvious faults. Really appreciate the feedback and opinions! I enjoy the learning process than monetary value etc.
The 45 degree angle may be due to robes sometimes having a diagonal slope at the neck.
Did a quick outline/drawing of the seams I could see from viewing this from the back with transmitted light. Might have to reconsider this being stitched together from a factory from different robes and made for tourist. The construction of this looks like it was designed this was for its original purpose to me!
As I said, it could well be part of a robe, but that doesn't make it old or prevent it being made like that to deceive or for the tourist industry.
Luckily, searching for answers is very enjoyable. 😊
There are many examples of uncut robes to compare. Seems likely from a robe fragment.
Wow!!! Could be a uncut robe for a child based on the size etc...?? Really interesting!!
Cut robe fragment with imperial factory marks from bonhams. Kind of lines up with the 2 marks found on the back of the uncut robe.
Seems likely might be imperial factory mark, but not quite sure yet. Def could be wrong... adding up to me this is made for a court family member most likely a girl. Also learned they would have back orders of robes ready to be cut and assembled when the time came. Really quite fascinating honestly!!!
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