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Bought this bowl recently which i believe to be 18th century , approx 10 cm's in diameter , hand painted with what look to be vines leaves and grapes . The foot seems maybe Kangxi .
I would like to pinpoint the date to the correct emperor and maybe the name of the pattern.
many thanks
Carl
An interesting bowl. The foot looks a bit Ming-like to me, while the pattern reminds me of items from the Blue Chrysanthemum shipwreck (1660). Surely some experts here can help you further.Â
Birgit
Thanks for looking Birgit .
I hope it is late Ming so i will finally have an example to compare to others , The foot has a very hard but smooth feel like stone .Â
Carl
Japanese would be another possibility, but that’s not my field, sorryÂ
Birgit
I think the decoration and blue tone look more Japanese than Chinese
tam
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The grape motif/design was first seen as part of the decoration on blue and white Yuan period wares and then continued to be used, somewhat intermittently, throughout the Ming/Qing periods.
I have not seen this overall composition depicted on Ming pieces before so a Japanese attribution, as Tam proposes, may well be a possibility?!🤔 ...Â
The images only show one side/part of the decoration, does it continue around in similar style, or are there blank areas ...?!Â
StuartÂ
Tam and StuartÂ
Thank you for the comments , I had not considered Japanese to be honest but an avenue worth looking into.
Here are some more pics , there is a small blank area on the back of the bowl , the glaze shows a green/blue hue and the foot rim is very hard and smooth like polished stone .
Carl
Hi Carl -
Thanks for the additional images. From these, the small iron-spots, dust/dirt and glaze pulls to the foot/base, and wear to the glaze surface and mouth rim all look authentic/genuine, IMO ....
Base on the painting style/composition and blue tone, I still think possibly Japanese rather then Chinese - but I may well be wrong ....
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I agree the colour and style are more Japanese, but the foot/base looks more Chinese. Could it have been made in China but decorated elsewhere? Sorry if that is an unlikely option but I don't know when that kind of trade started.
hi everyone,
was just browsing the forum, have not been in a while and found something to comment on. I collect primarily later Chinese porcelains, 1800 through the Republican period so this cobalt color seems more late Qing than Ming to me. Also, the grapes are a bit out of place on late Qing I think, but the ribbons are late Qing decoration. In fact the cobalt looks like Guangxu period in my humble opinion, but cant be sure.
The reasons i assumed this piece to be Late Ming or Early Qing are .
-The grape and vine decoration was common during this timeÂ
-The colour of the cobalt (quite bright and vivid) on the very white paste stands outÂ
-The foot is very smooth and dense like polished stone pointing towards a high quality clay
- The foot is also quite high and flaring outwards which is also a common attribute on earlier wares.
These are just observations of mine.Â
Carl
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Hi Carl -Â
Attached images of late Ming/early Qing grape motifs for reference ...Â
The large dish, D. 44.7cm, is a very well known type and dates to the mid/late 16th C. The Wanli mark/period small bowl, D 11cm, is in the Palace Museum, Beijing. The  brush pot, H. 19cm, D. 22.2cm, is dated to 1650/60, so Shunzhi period, and is from the Butler Family Coll. The Kangxi mark/period small double-gourd vase, H. 12.4cm, is also in the Palace Museum, Beijing, ex Qing court Coll ...
In this weeks Newsletter, Peter mentions a pair (I think?!) of brown rimed  grape design bowls with six character Jiajing marks. Based on the painting style, profile and others I have seen/handled, these are mid 17th C in date, probably early Kangxi period ...Â
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This is the - single!🙄 - bowl mentioned in the Newsletter. Lot 122, Christie’s NY forthcoming ‘The Art of Chine: Winter Edition’ online, dated to the 17th C. There is a single Chinese character scratched in-between the Jiajing reign mark - possible an owners mark ... ?!Â
StuartÂ
I really like that large dish, Stuart. What a lovely blue. I see brownish patches in places, is that where the glaze has flaked off or firing flaws exposing the paste underneath? In which case, is this not porcelain but some kind of earthenware? Or is it discolouration from use?
JuliaÂ
I think the brown / red discolouration is kiln burn , Like the iron oxide lines you see on the feet of Ming pieces , The clay used may have had a high iron content resulting in the iron pushing out during firing and leaving a rust coloured stain. Should be porcelain and not earthenware.
Carl
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