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Has anyone seen a painting like this? Do you think my description is acurate?
It's coming up in an estate sale..... never seen anything quite like it.
Maybe Japanese....late 18th to early 19th c.
Shiba Kokan ?
Yes, most definitely Regency clothing. The artist has a bit of an issue with perspective and details also notice the small feet of both the gentleman and the standing woman the women especially, depicting a bound foot? Compare to the size of the foot of the seated woman, unbound. I wonder if the armature artist was inserting Asian faces into a a European Regency painting they have see.
Ron
Yes, I noticed that. Obviously not a straight copy; there must be something behind the differences. I hope we do find out!
@julia YOU ARE AWESOME!
Based upon the dimesion given by the museum, the example I found is about 30% smaller, but looks hand painted, so perhaps commissioned work for a Japanese patron.
Well....as I like to say...
If I'm first in line.....the treasure will be mine!
I'll let you all know how it goes by Friday!
Thanks both. 😊
Good luck, Greeno!
Apparently the family were often drawn by artists and in the 2 years the whole family were there, over 500 different prints were produced.
As, artists were unused to seeing Europeans, maybe that explains the rather uneuropean features in this one? You may have found one of the other versions.
Julia, that is some fine research, do not know what your google search parameters were! But they worked.
my initial hypothesis I think still stands, an armature painter who may not have seen many westerners painting from an already existing painting that he had seen. I think there are to many differences to believe he was trying to copy with the original in front of him/her. Other than the discrepancy previously mentioned, in the original the gentleman had his hand closed, the copy the hand is open and tuned upright. The detail of the settee and in the clothing are missing or only poorly executed. The missing boy servant I have no idea.
Maybe the painter had desires to be like European, sort of a perceived thinking that painting his family in place of the original sitters elevated his status. We will never know.
Greeno, I most certainly think you should get this and with Julia’s research put together a sort of a side by side presentation for those who would ask.
Ron
On my way tomorrow morning for an overnight to be sure I’m first in line!
It’s exciting to uncover a potentially lost piece of history.
It really will be a fun piece to share!
Strange. The paintings aren't just of the same family, they are in the same pose, on the same furniture. Were they painted at the same time, at the same sitting? Surely, even if they were painted 500 times, they would not have posed the same in these two paintings, or worn the same clothing? Is it possible that one of these two paintings is a copy of the other? The differences are relatively minor.
Charles
@kirby13 I think this style of Japanese paintings of European subject matter is such a very small niche of art that only a few scholars have the knowledge to speak on the matter with any certainty.....and I am not one of them, but that won't stop me from making a semi informed guess.
Artists, especially Asian artists, repeat subject matter over and over, so the similarity in these paintings is not surprising to me.
In December 2015 I sold a painting at Christie's by Zhao Shao'ang of a boy sitting before a sacred mountain which was a near identical painting currently in the collection of the Houston Museum of Fine Art. The Houston painting had been exhibited the year before at Harvard, and the exhibition catalog stated anecdotal evidence that other copies of the painting existed, but at the time none were known.
I found my painting in August 2015 at a thrift store in Miami, and Christie's eagerly took the painting....no doubt regarding the painting's authenticity even though I had no provenance.
Not to nly are there differences in the Japanese vs. European faces, there are differences in the size of the paintings and the level of detail in the clothing. A possible explination could be that the scene was so popular, the artist repainted it again and again, but substituted the faces of the specific customer... in this case, a Japanese customer. The dergree of detail and size could have varied based upon how much a customer was willing to pay.
Another posibility is that the scene was painted much like Chinese ancestor paintings.... the bodies, clothing, and furniture were painted in mass quantity, and the faces drawn in later according to their customer's wishes.
Of course, my theories don't really sound to me like how traditional Japanese artists would paint, but based on the biography I found, Ishizaki Yushi was licensed to study in the Chinese painting region of Japan, and that this exposure had a strong influence on his work.
Charles, I don't think they painted the same scene 500 times, indeed there was another painting of the man, the child and the nurse, all standing, I think, can't remember exactly.
However, I imagine having the family in that arrangement on those chairs may also have been a popular style allowing the visual depiction of the separate roles in the household as we see on Chinese paintings.
Equally all Greeno's possible explanations seem very plausible. It is so interesting and I hope he gets it so we can find out more!
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