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Dear Peter and fellow collectors. I would like to share here this link about several pieces from Quien Long and Daoguang reigns (i presume) soon for auction in France. The moon flask is quite exceptional. For those who don't understand french, all these imperial pieces were brought back in France by a naval officer once the Nankin's treaty signed.
https://www.rouillac.com/fr/news-1571-gourde_imperiale_qianlong
It's an interesting collection. Thanks for sharing.
Best regards,
Xin
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Dear Forum members,
I would worry about buying these pieces. To begin with, Daoguang medallion bowls, something that this collection seems to be well supplied with, were copied reasonably convincingly from about 1900 onwards, and I'm not sure whether one or more of the bowls shown in this promotional video may not fall into that category.
I worry too that the video itself is cavalier in the extreme. It is composed mainly of circling shots of the items coming up for sale that are so rapid that they don't allow much time to reflect on the images shown as they flicker by.
The seal mark on the moon flask also looks somewhat modern to my eye. To be fair, however, I'd like to see the real thing before committing to that opinion.
I also worry about the consistent mispronunciation by the man presenting the video, who I assume is the resident expert, of the name of the emperor Qianlong. This is elementary stuff, and either he's being sloppy for some reason, which I'd hope an expert not to be, or he has an inadequate grasp of his subject. Worrying, whichever way.
Without the benefit of a close physical inspection of these items, I think prospective bidders on them should be very wary indeed about the claims being made for them.
I hope I am not doing an injustice to the sellers, but experience repeatedly tells us that one can never be too careful.
Alan
Good evening Alan,
Thank you very much for sharing with us your opinion.
There is a catalogue for this auction with all items captured on photos:
https://www.rouillac.com/fr/lot-458-125429-chine_epoque_qianlong_1736_1795bol
You can navigate through lots with a menu located above the pictures.
The photos are in high quality so it could be much easier for you to inspect those items rather than while watching the video.
Would you be so kind and have a closer look, please?
My personal opinion is this: all I can say is that I have struggled to find any single fault on those porcelain items that could indicate the age claimed by this auction house. All I can see is a perfect condition of every single object and if there are are any faults, then they are exactly the same on all of those items - little black dots, nothing else.
I would like to know what others think as well.
Regards,
Adrian
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Another thing is this:
http://portlandartmuseum.us/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=record;id=59721;type=101#
Looks like a model of the flask offered by this French auctioneer - identical shape and decoration.
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Dear Adrian,
Thank you for drawing my attention to this.
The auction photographs accompanying each lot are entirely different. In being clear and stable in a way the promotional video is not, they cast a very different light, one that largely addresses my original anxieties. Even the seal mark on the moon flask begins to look acceptable in the photographs in a way that it did not in the promotional video.
The auctioneers would really do well to consider scraping the video. Rapidly and casually pushing court ceramics around a display table and inverting them in a manner that seems offhand hardly does the auction house, or the ceramics they seek to sell, any credit. Worse, it runs the risk of misrepresenting them through (sometimes) blurred and (regularly) fleeting imagery. You only have to contrast the quality of the promotional videos done by Christies or Sotheby's, for instance, with the one under review here to notice how inept it is.
Amongst the lots being offered on 10 June, the moon flask is the 'big ticket' item. Considering its association, according to the provenance stated, with the other items, one might feel more confident. However, it would still be wise for any prospective bidder to inspect this one very closely indeed at first hand, given what they'd be staking on it. I find that only a physical inspection will do in cases like this, no matter how acceptable the pictures are in other respects. For example, glaze-bubble morphology, that often shows characteristic features on imperial Qianlong blue and whites of this rank, is rarely done justice to in photographs, though sometimes the magnification feature accompanying the photographs taken by the major auction houses can capture it.
It will be interesting to see how their auction finally turns out, and on that theme, I'm very much looking forward to Peter's analysis of the outcome of the London auctions last week. Some unexpected successes and similarly unexpected failures there. Watch this space.
Regards,
Alan
Dear Alan. Thank you for your expertise and your advice to be very cautious on the video. At this amount of bid, i can't imagine someone bidding without a closer look, him or a trusted person (that's what chinese collectors are doing in France and all around the word i imagine). Maybe can we trust the auction house and its expert the Portier's Cabinet, both well renowned on the french place. Rouillac and son already have several word records in many specialities. I just mention 2 in our asian area of interest :
https://www.rouillac.com/fr/lot-270-87419-important_coffre_cedre_du_japon_decor?p=17
https://www.rouillac.com/fr/lot-346-100130-pousse_pousse_limperatrice_tu_minh.bois?p=17
They have a great flair ( and luck too...) to find tremendous artefacts and these kind of old fashioned videos are their signature, just for the show !
Have a look on the pic i took a few years ago in the Hue Palace Museum i was visiting, no comment...
The collection is genuine. ?Everything fine.
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