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All genuine but not worth collecting, as these are mostly common ones as export ware found in sea waters. Real good ones of Song and Yuan Longquan kiln were never exported.
Jiawei he I would think anything that is that old would be worth collecting just for its personal value. If you love oldthings and like to look at them, they don’t cost you a fortune and you can find them why not? No if what you meant was they are not worth much as an investment then that I understand.
Tyra
Yes, why not buy one or two just to hold them in your hands and get a notion how they look and feel? In my opinion it is a great way for a beginner to learn from inexpensive export pieces. Just for a start - you don't have to clutter your whole house with them. But they are decorative and help you in learning, so later you can judge better what you want to buy for investment. I think the problem with so many people buying fakes is that they have never owned and handled something authentic before.
Birgit
you are right ! whether something is worth collecting is based on one's collecting "ideaology". The usual saying in our chinese collectors' circle when quoting "not worth collecting" is merely another way of saying "too many and too common" as not good for investment. I am really glad to be here, as Peter invites me to join in. I find the "fun" atmosphere is something i dreamed for so long but yet could not find in my chinese context!
Thank you for sharing your ideas and wisdom!
And i would like to post some nice longquan specimen in my own collection for you:
And sorry i have tried for times but could not directly attach files here (as i am new here, i don't know the reasons, perhaps my picture is 1.5m and that's beyond limit?)
This is a lotus bowl of Southern Song Dynasty, a very nice example, not due to its perfect shape but also for its reserved tone and color, not shiny but jade and silk like. It is a bit underfired, intentionally, so that such glaze effect could be produced. The Ru ( old term Ju) ware glaze is for the same consideration.
And here are two pieces of longquan fragments, one "meizi qing" (plum color celadon), and another "fen qing" (powder-like celadon):
What are special about these two specimen:
1. The left one is a vase modelling after bronze ritual vessels of Shang and Zhou dynasties. This kind of modeling fashion is quite in during Song Dynasty.
2.The right one is a very rare "fen qing" color and tone example. You can find millions of longquan fragments in current China. This is one out of a million. And Japanese collectors' in history would like to call them "kinuta" to show their utmost admiration.
And the iron foot effect on the right one is a deliberate design following the "Guan" (official) kiln of Southern Song Dynasty wares.
It's really interesting to read your detailed descriptions JIAWEI HE - IS it possible for you post some close-up photos (macro) of the glaze and rims. I'm just starting out on my learning journey and this is extremely helpful. - Many thanks!
@Lewis, Well, I could not do that with insufficient technical support. what is more, i think it is quite misleading to see into the macro pictures as initiation of authentication methodology. The glaze patina and the natural erosion on the glaze are primary evidence for that.
@Lewis, And the second step is to know the texture of the clay as fired and affected by thousand year erosion if recently excavated.All these knowledge are based on "experience" of how much examples you have touched and studied in detail and under correct guidance.
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