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Queen Mary snuff bottle
How are you all doing? Thanks to Peter for setting this all up, love watching his videos. "Helloooo thereeee, this is Peterrrr Commmmbs".
Have you seen this just listed on ebay? It's an amber snuff bottle from the collection of Queen Mary and bought from Spinks. Amazing provenance!
The same seller also has a Xuande censer with provenance from Phillip's (old name for Sotheby's)
So important these days to have that provenance. It's hard to come by so when you see these old stickers and inscriptions, you know the piece must be right.
Can't beat the thrill of the chase!
welcome here. Remember a basic rule: It is much, much easier to fake the provenance than the object.
Also, faking labels and everything related with provenance is a trend that gone up very fast recently, due to the fact that the major auction houses, in lack of real experts, are privileging provenance.
Do you think that an object of Queen Mary should have that simple box?
Do you think that a snuff bottle of Queen Mary could have that not matching stopper?
The link doesn't work anymore. Was that something you were selling Kyle?
Thank you for the welcome. Now you have made me suspicious and I must say the ink does look very wet!
When was the Sharpie invented, haha?
Weird that the link has broken, maybe try this one with the uk suffix: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-Chinese-carved-natural-amber-snuff-bottle-Qing-Dynasty-18th-century/333301744611
Interesting story/inscription with the so-called provenance.
Normally this seller is very good with descriptions etc. I have bought from him before.
The style of said snuff bottle appears to be from mid to late 19th century. Giovanni knows his snuff bottle's, avid collector etc.
Personally, I would leave this alone.
Dear Mark and Kyle,
I was not meaning that those inscriptions/labels were made by the seller. He may well have found both objects as they are.
I was mainly suggesting about not relying on documentation. There is nothing proving that the box and the bottle are related, nor proving that what is inscribed on the box is true.
The two labels on the censer are not convincing to me.
Do not trust this seller.
This week they have a "kingfisher" brooch that is a creation of pure fantasy. You can see where the feathers (probably brought from a craft shop) have been cut out with scissors and stuck on with glue to a European or possibly Indian silver filigree brooch.
Giovanni, you are also right not to trust their inscriptions.
More fake inscriptions this week, clearly written by the same hand:
Also that green brush washer is a new ivory item that has been dyed green to make it look old. Look at the way these leaves are carved:
Not old. May I remind you it is illegal to buy and sell new ivory items in most of the Western world. If you get caught importing this into your country, you could be in big trouble.
Also, please ask yourselves why the bidding identities are kept private.
You have been warned!
The bottle seems quite alright but the box looks brand new to me and that implies the story on it is fake as well - somebody made that up deliberately to boost the value of some quite ordinary object.
Feel free to browse the store:
Also, please take a look at this item:
Is it 18th C and most of all is it Chinese? I might be wrong but it looks Japanese early 20th C to me.
Feel free to browse the store:
It's a confusing censer, not sure about it at all.
There is another devious trick in this seller's listings this week that I only just noticed. They have an amber pendant listed that is "possibly Ming" that they say was strung in the 19th century to a mandarin style necklace. But the necklace is thoroughly modern and the amateur attempt at attaching the pendant to the necklace with a piece of string is quite funny:
Go through this seller's listings and look at the fantasy creations of jewellery.
The same string has been used to create these two pieces:
There is also a turquoise necklace with a pendant that has been mounted in quite a funny way
They are a very creative seller and each week I like laughing at all the new tricks they come up with. Please do not be fooled by them, they are very arrogant to think that no one notices. I have noticed, now you too please notice.
you are right, I too did laugh yesterday at seeing that "possibly Ming" amber pendant.
Unfortunately ebay is full of such guys.
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