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I especially find this neolithic jade circular object interesting because of the material. https://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-3000BC-CHINESE-JADE-NEOLITHIC-PERIOD-DI-DISC-BANGLE-STUDY/352756521360?hash=item5221ed5990:g:WpcAAOSwEHpdVt56 I have a Hongshan style bird carving (which I unfortunately currently can't find in my home) in a very similar material that is correct in style but that I had for a long time held as a replica because I wrongfully thought the material was agate and not nephrite even though it was purchased from a notable collection 15 years ago that included several highly desirable authentic archaic jades. It was only a few years ago I learned that there actually is a variant of nephrite with dendritic inclusions that resembles dendritic agate. I did a little research and found a Hongshan jade ornament in a similar material (even thought the dendritic black inclusions are not as well defined) which is in The Museum of East Asian Art. https://www.alamy.com/jade-double-face-pendant-neolithic-hongshan-type-northern-china-c3500-image60049643.html And Joanies also have this jade blade in a material that also seems to have well defined dendritic inclusions - it's difficult to tell from the pictures. This one has a label from the Percival David Collection and is said to have been acquired by a family member in the 1930'ies but it's a little unclear if it is also the Cowperthwaite Family Collection like the circular object. I guess I must write Joanie for pedigree details. https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-EARLY-CHINESE-CARVED-ORANGE-JADE-ARCHAIC-CEREMONIAL-BLADE-DAVID-PERCIVAL/352756521319?hash=item5221ed5967:g:Kl8AAOSwR7pdVt5x I think this is a very interesting sale.
Hi Avatar,
I would tread very carefully with archaic jades from this seller. I shall try to explain in the following format.
Firstly, I know this seller and have over the years bought a number of jades from them. All were genuine. Have been very happy with all my purchases etc.
I have been collecting/dealing in jades and other gemstones for over forty years. Starting out when I was sixteen years old. I love nephrite jade and jadeite jade.
Primarily, I have an interest in Ming period onwards jades. I do not really like/appreciate archaic jades.
In Peters newsletter this week you may recall his reference to a Washington plate that he states is a fake. It is being sold by JHT.
I have viewed, rather quickly all the items on offer from said seller. Alarm bells started ringing.
Personally, I do not believe the hype given as to where these so-called collections came from.
JHT has been known in the past to acquire questionable items with very dubious labels attached to them. Would I buy them? The answer is NO!
As you would know, items like these are very sought after. Highly collectable and priced accordingly. One only has to look at the recent sales of Sotheby's and Christie's. One would not expect such a large number being offered by a eBay seller. Rather they would for obvious reasons find their way to one of the majors etc .Especially so, given the number etc.
When one views a archaic Jade or other with russet inclusions that shows a variant of spots indicates the presence of treatment/dye. Are they consistent with known examples by way of style, carving tooling and overall finish? Or do they look like they were made with some degree of hastened effort?
Old genuine pieces show an evenly distributed corrosion like effect sometimes with shading. You can use a pin to scrape modern dyed jade.
JHT claims impressive provenance. I would ask if they were prepared to back that up with a money back guarantee in writing.
If you do so, I would appreciate your input herein.
Mark
I know nothing about Jade but the Percival Davis sticker looks highly dubious to me.
Birgit
I totally agree Birgid. Said labeling looks like it was printed yesterday along with the box.
As far as I am aware with said boxes the older ones say from pre 70's tend to be quite heavy. Well made with bone inserts. The modern ones tend to be under weight, flimsy and have plastic inserts.
Mark
Hi Avatar/Corey -
I will defer to Marks great knowledge on such pieces - I have very little - but will confirm that the Percival David labels are entirely fake ...
Sir David collected only ceramics, mostly Imperial and many dated by inscription. I have viewed the collection more times then I care to recall and had the great privilege to handle a few of the pieces - no such label exists ...
I would take note of Marks comments - leave well alone ...
Stuart
Thank you Stuart.
I actually was unaware that David Percival only collected ceramics.
Learn something new all the time from knowledgeable like minded people.
Mark
Hi Mark -
In a letter to Mrs Marion Chait Howe in 1952, Sir David outlined the ‘five bars’ on which he collected, although he acknowledged that they ‘have in a few cases been relaxed and exceeded’: firstly, he limited himself to ceramics (he also did have some very fine works of art and books); secondly, he collected wares that the Chinese have always admired, beginning around 900 AD and ending in 1800 AD; thirdly, he eschewed every aspect of Chinese ceramic art already well represented in the West; fourthly, he eschewed later Kangxi monochromes; and fifthly, he wanted as many dated and datable pieces as possible (the collection is well known for such pieces) ...
As an aside, these fake labels - either from old collectors and/or past exhibitions - are an increasing problem. I have even seen pieces with faked old ‘sale receipts’ ...
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Stuart
Bravo Mark! Everything really well said.
Regards,
Giovanni
Nice with the replies. Shamefull for Joanie if the stickers are fake - even more if the jades themself are also fakes. But I found the hongshan bird in my home and it actually seems like the material is the same as the jade object in The Museum of East Asian Art. And it is fascinating how the colors resembles the colors of a bird of prey and the dendritic inclusions looks like feathers. A little odd that the jade in the museum is described as a 'jade double face pendant'. I think it is likely a misinterpretation; that the correct interpetation would also be a like a bird of prey. http://collections.meaa.org.uk/view-item?key=R1td&pg=1257&WINID=1566911548376#-OV2THE-pu8AAAFs0ymnQA/1288
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