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Hi everyone! I need help with one eBay listing. In particular this one:
I have very little experience with Chinese porcelain. I am looking to buy a vase of this type. Ideally, Ming Dynasty or older. Can someone indicate whether this is a genuine antique item and a possible date? This seller gives very vague descriptions, so not really helpful. Many thanks in advance!
I commend your taste and willingness to go after the best when starting out to collect in this field. Since the Asia sales are starting soon, I figured a quick search of the various auctions might turn up something to meet your criteria. I didn’t find an exact match, but I submit the following two items for your consideration. These are from the Freeman’s sale coming up on April 8th. They are a reputable auction house and will be very happy to discuss the various pros & cons concerning the vases.
Lot 14 is a faug hu with a similar green glaze, but you would have to be a bit flexible on the age.
Lot 2 does has a different shape but does meet your criteria of Ming or older and it’s green is a classic Ming glaze type.
Personally, I would be happy with either one.
As for the eBay vase, I would suggest you compare the foot of that vase to the two lots in the Freeman’s sale.
Many thanks for the replies, much appreciated! I think I am going to skip that eBay vase. 😀
Thank you William for the links! Those two vases are really lovely and would, for sure, satisfy me, but a bit over my budget. I would actually be over the moon with each of them! I am looking for something in the 1K - 1.5k USD region. I don't mind a few blemishes, so the price would be within my budget. Is this realistic? By the way, I am UK-based, so I would have to take into account shipping and taxes for lots bought overseas.
Yeah, a newbie on Chinese porcelain (although have some decent experience with Japanese porcelain and antique items such as carvings), but I am really attracted by this specific colour and the thick glaze that those vases have. Not in a hurry to get one, so I guess there will be opportunities to find one in the future.
Well those two vases are out of my budget range also. However, I think with some patience and perseverance you could find something suitable within your budget range. My advice to you is avoid general searches on platforms such as eBay. Use the BidAmount site to research reputable dealers (some are on eBay) and auction houses (many in UK). The site also regularly lists vetted items from eBay and Catawiki and something might turn up there. The important point is a beginning collector with not much knowledge should stay with reputable dealers or auction houses. Otherwise, you have too great a chance of ending up with a fake.
A fang hu vase with a guan type glaze from the late 19th/early 20th century could fall within your budget. Avoid ones with reign marks on the base since this is the counterfeiters typical trick and you already know a mark & period vase is way out of your budget range.
Longquan vases of the Yuan/Ming eras are an interesting possibility since they are somewhat under collected. There should not be a reign mark on period pieces. I found a lovey example coming up for auction at Bonhams that has a Japanese lacquer repair to the mouth and is almost within your budget.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26733/lot/101/?category=list&length=231&page=
@william Did you see what the estimate was for the Bonhams vase? $3200 sound like a good price to me.
The estimate was $3000-$5000 so it sold on the low side. I guess because of the large repair on the mouth of the vase. Still, it was such a classic shape that I don’t think the repair would have bothered me all that much.
Lot 99 was another Song/Yuan Longquan vase that was pear shaped with two small handles and with a $2500-$4000 estimate. Looked to be in good shape and sold on the low end at $2805.
I think I proved my point to Evangelos that some porcelain types are currently under collected and nice examples are within her price range if she has the patience to keep looking in the right places for legitimate objects.
$3000-$5000 sound like a very low estimate for a vase like that, even with the damage. A good gold lacquer repair can certainly add soul to a piece and a smaller vase in the same shape and with a damage to the mouth part sold for nearly $100,000 at Christie's. I was wondering why they call it a 'bow-string' vase but I see now that it is the meaning of the Chinese name 'Xianwenping'. (Vases in this shape are usually called bamboo neck vases.) Note also the fully intact vase of similar shape and size sold at Christie's for $423,750. http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2017/08/07/35558517.html
We touched on this issue some months back when I posted a question regarding the price difference between a Longquan wine cup I purchased at auction in NY vs. a similar one in Hong Kong.
There are graduations of fineness between similar objects that can be hard to determine without holding the object in your hands. Viewers can equate higher potential value with an earlier date vs. a later date. Certain auction houses attract and cultivate bidders with deeper pockets.
We would all prefer to believe that rational decision making goes into the price results of similar objects at auction. Experience tells us that sometimes this is not true.
The glaze of the vase at Bonhams compares perfectly with this dish sold at Christie's for $56,250 that also has an unstained crackle and is described as 'Longquan guan-type'. In recent years we have seen some rather high results for these so-called Longquan guan-type pieces. I think Bonhams have underestimated the potential value for that vase big time. https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5823755
Hi everyone!
Many thanks for the replies and the info. I have been quite busy lately so I didn't have the chance to post here. I actually took a gamble and bought one vase from an eBay seller. The fact that I beat someone with 3698 received feedbacks is quite reassuring that I purchased a genuine antique vase.
There is an old Japanese golden repair though hence the final bid value was quite low. I don't (particularly) mind it as I paid far less than my maximum budget. Other than this repair the vase is in a quite decent condition. Also not a crackle glaze vase, but the glaze is quite thick and nice which is what I was mainly looking for. I would be grateful if a knowledgeable member could provide a possible date for it. I have attached some photos.
Thanks in advance!
https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/294092725422?item=294092725422&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565
This was the eBay auction. Buying from Katsuragi (Ltd) is a double-edged sword, as you may get a bargain or end up with a replica. But having followed their auctions, I could tell when they know or suspect it is a replica or not. They didn't make any particular age statement, but they did know it is an antique vase. The old golden repair (with the less than desired finish though) was also an indication it was a genuine antique item.
Many thanks for trying to help me, much appreciated!
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